Author Topic: 30 Carbine project (Read 9220 times)

trotterlg · « **Reply #30 on:** March 15, 2007, 03:50:41 PM »

Thanks fred, when I get this thing running I may take you up on a set. I talked to MSP tonight and he cleared things up on handi ejector types for me, I think I have a full understanding of the types, and as usual I had made things much more complicated than they really are. I will order up a couple tomorrow along with a couple of other little items and post pictures when I get them working. I am working on a barrel band to hold the forearm lug, I don't think I have enough barrel to cut a dove tail into and I really don't want to silver it in place. Larry

Spanky · « **Reply #31 on:** March 15, 2007, 04:20:03 PM »

More pictures please!! What is your next project going to be??

PartsMan · « **Reply #32 on:** March 16, 2007, 05:35:05 AM »

I would think about using a barrel band instead of a barrel lug.

Fred M · « **Reply #33 on:** March 16, 2007, 03:38:25 PM »

Trott.
This is a better way than a barrel band. Two screws and J-B weld.

henry1 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 16, 2007, 06:01:11 PM »

WOW! Thats all i can say! I wish i had the knowlege and the tools to pull this off. That is awesome! Every time i try to do somthing that i dont want to pay for it becomes a year(s) long project or never gets finished. LOL! Congrats, and what a great job!

cpj · « **Reply #35 on:** March 17, 2007, 06:31:33 AM »

This is a very cool thread! I just love stuff like this. I do have a question, and this is coming from a dyed in the wool redneck engineer, who knows just about nothing about machine work. So if this is a dumb idea, please learn me somthing.

Could you weld the area that I have outline in red, and then turn it back down flush? I know the loc tite will hold it, but if you welded it and truned it back down, you would have something that would never come out, and it would make it look like a factory barrel.( at least on the breech) Im not saying that there is anything wrong with the way that you did it, just curious as to if my idea has any merit, or if I should just stick to duct tape and bailing wire.

trotterlg · « **Reply #36 on:** March 17, 2007, 04:00:11 PM »

If I had done a little better job on the threading the seam would not be nearly as visable. Welding would probably be a bad idea as the teperatures would change the temper of the steel. If I wanted to fill it I would fill it with silver solder and then machine it off flush. I will just leave it as is.

On a second note, I decided to do the barrel band to hold the recoil lug. There isn't really enough thicknes for an easy drill and tap or to cut a dove tail, so a band it is, I will try to post some pictures tomorrow. Larry

MSP Ret · « **Reply #37 on:** March 17, 2007, 04:24:39 PM »

Keep them coming buddy, were loving it!!!!....<><....

Busta · « **Reply #38 on:** March 17, 2007, 05:12:32 PM »

Tomorrow!

trotterlg,

I for one, would like to thank you for all the effort you have put into this project. This post is the first thing I look for in this forum, and with over a thousand looks so far, I guess I am not alone. Can't wait to see how you mounted the lug, and of course the final project and shooting report. Keep up the good work!

I guess I can go to bed now, since it won't be until tomorrow.

P.S. How early tomorrow?

cpj · « **Reply #39 on:** March 18, 2007, 06:56:27 AM »

Quote from: trotterlg on March 17, 2007, 04:00:11 PM

If I had done a little better job on the threading the seam would not be nearly as visable. Welding would probably be a bad idea as the teperatures would change the temper of the steel. If I wanted to fill it I would fill it with silver solder and then machine it off flush. I will just leave it as is.

Gotcha. I wondered about what the heat of welding would do to it. It looks good to me, I want to see the range report!

trotterlg · « **Reply #40 on:** March 18, 2007, 12:13:10 PM »

Got the barrel band done and installed today. It started life as a 5/8 inch shaft collar, bored it to the size of the barrel at the place it needed to go and then took off all the metal that did not look like a barrel band. I put a set screw in it that stuck out about 5 threads and used that part to hold the lug for the forearm screw. Tossed it in the parkerizing tank to put a finish on it. I will parkerize the whole thing after I cut the ejector slot. Not much else to do now but wait on the ejector. Larry

eskimo36 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 18, 2007, 01:09:01 PM »

Trotter
I really appreciate you keeping us in the loop on this as the work has proceeded. That is so much better than just showing the finished product and saying it was fun. keep up the good work.

Cookiemann · « **Reply #42 on:** March 18, 2007, 01:15:20 PM »

You keep working on projects like this, you will have a bigger following than Dallas ever had.

Great job. I can hardly wait for the next episode.

cookiemann

trotterlg · « **Reply #43 on:** March 18, 2007, 04:07:04 PM »

One more picture of the band, it did turn out better than I thought it would. Larry

knight0334 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 18, 2007, 04:21:47 PM »

Wow! Really nice work on that lug!! That should hold better than the factory lugs. I've broke off 4 or 5 of them over the course of time. I think H&R should take a note of that idea.

trotterlg · « **Reply #45 on:** March 19, 2007, 04:26:56 PM »

I am going to take this thing to the range this weekend even without an ejector, I am having a hard time getting H&R to help me out getting one, they want serial numbers, year of manufacture etc, they say they made 5 different ones for a .223 and 3 different ones for a Hornet. I do think I have it solved witha little help from board members, but only time will tell. I mounted the best UltraLux scope money can buy on it, paid $18.00 for it, the rings cost me more, and bore sighted it, so all I have to do is wait. I promise I will post a picture of the target even if it shoots a two foot pattern. Larry

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #46 on:** March 19, 2007, 04:37:26 PM »

Check :

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=676&m=6&mn=H%26R%c2%ae&model=SB2+Handi-Rifle%2fH%26R+Ultra+

trotterlg · « **Reply #47 on:** March 19, 2007, 05:04:49 PM »

Thanks smokinjoe, I just ordered one of each, .223 and Hornet, good price I think and they didn't argue with me. Thought I would post a picture of the hammer to scope clearance, these are Weaver brand medium rings, the scope is a fixed 6X power. Larry

cpj · « **Reply #48 on:** March 19, 2007, 07:03:55 PM »

Are you goin to parkerize the whole barrel?

trotterlg · « **Reply #49 on:** March 19, 2007, 07:14:56 PM »

Yes, when I get the ejector slot cut I will sand blast and parkerize the whole thing. Parkerizing is a very forgiving finish, it covers up lots of little flaws and is easy to do. The Remington barrel I used for this project was parkerized from the factory, you can see right at the end where I didn't polish it off, that part was chucked up in the lathe, I will clean up that part and then do it all at one time. Larry

cpj · « **Reply #50 on:** March 19, 2007, 07:24:42 PM »

I like parkerizing. And it is very forgiving.

bang_off · « **Reply #51 on:** March 20, 2007, 02:11:54 PM »

Mate, job well done. I think you have solved the problem for those of us not fortunate enough to have access to the barrel accessory program and the custom barrels issue in one fell swoop!

It would be easier to buy a whole rifle, but it's about the journey, not just the destination, right?

That, sir, is a fine looking rifle.

Quote from: trotterlg on March 13, 2007, 06:33:31 PM

... I do instrumention photography for a large Aerospace company in Seattle,...

If that's the same company that builds my work vehicle, they make great machinery. They have it all over the competition.

trotterlg · « **Reply #52 on:** March 20, 2007, 02:31:56 PM »

I'll post some pictures of my parkerizing setup when I do the barrel. I'll sand blast the whole barrel and stub and then turn it all one color, at that point I will be done I think. The ejectors should be here by the end of the week I hope, then I can cut the ejector slot and get some pics of that. Larry

MSP Ret · « **Reply #53 on:** March 20, 2007, 04:19:32 PM »

Thanks Larry, I am interested in that parkerizing setup. I had a couple of guns parkerized years ago and they are still great. Is it something the home based hobbiest can do? Your barrel stubbing has been great to follow and the pictures have been wonderful, they look like they were taken by a professional (

). A great job in all aspects. For you others that may be interested below I have posted a link to a site that has some other great photos of a barrel stubbing project. It was done on a (shudder) TC but it could just a well have been a Handi. I am looking forward even mopre now to getting my .45 ACP Handi barrel after seeing this fine .30 Cal carbine project..Thanks again Larry you did great!!! I am sure the ejector will work out fine also, call anytime....<><....

http://dandtcustomgunworks.myfreeforum.org/BARREL_STUBBING_PROJECT__about15.html

trotterlg · « **Reply #54 on:** March 22, 2007, 04:22:09 PM »

The ejectors showed up from Brownells today. I learned two things, the ejectors they have, at least in .223 and hornet, are the thick type. Lesson two is that a high speed steel mill is no match for the steel that a Handi ejector is made from. I ground off the back of the standing part of the .223 ejector, and as usual MSP was right, it is exactly the proper heigth for the 30 Carbine round. I cut the ejector slot and I am ready to go I think. Larry

billy_56081 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 22, 2007, 04:57:45 PM »

I can hardly wait for a range report!

trotterlg · « **Reply #56 on:** March 23, 2007, 03:39:31 PM »

I will try to shoot this tomorrow, tonight I was looking at some 32-20 ammo I have, and it is very near a rimmed version of the 30 Carbine, the 32-20 will chamber up to the rim in the 30 Carbine chamber. Haven't looked at the pressures developed by a 32-20, but I bet the performance is very simular. Larry

trotterlg · « **Reply #57 on:** March 24, 2007, 09:44:09 AM »

Probably getting close to the last post on this project. Went to the range today, they were having a Match, however because this was a 30 Carbine the range master let me shoot it on the Pistol range. The target below is five shots at 50 yards, cheapest 30 Carbine ammo I could find. Primers look great, no problem with the slightly larger fireing pin, and the rifle didn't blow up. It is really fun to shoot, kicks about like a 22 Mag I would say, even a Kid could shoot this all day long. I put 45 rounds through it, the frame is still perfect, the lockup is good. This frame is an NN sn. Not much else to say, I will put a finish on it and find another project I think. Larry

Edited by Larry in the intrest of safety.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 24, 2007, 09:56:07 AM »

Larry

I'd say you have a keeper there , very nice work .

stimpy

billy_56081 · « **Reply #59 on:** March 24, 2007, 11:40:22 AM »

Ya can't put a price on that one. I hope you have a ton of fun with it.