Author Topic: Bigger Than Hogzilla! (Read 10599 times)

Big Game Hunter · « **on:** May 16, 2007, 10:49:18 AM »

The pictures that are attached are of a wild boar that weighed, on certified scales, between 1050 and 1060 pounds. The co-op scales that we used went in 10 pound increments. The young man in the photos is Jamison Stone. Jamison used a Smith & Wesson Model 500 .50 Caliber hand cannon that had been to the performance center. The huge boar took sixteen 350 grain rounds before expiring. The hunt was conducted on the Lost Creek Plantation and Jamison booked the hunt through Southeastern Trophy Hunters. There are several news stations as well as the good folks at Smith & Wesson looking at young Jamison for a story of this beast. There have only been a very small handful of wild hogs taken that weighed over 1000 pounds and none that we know of have been taken by an 11 year old. Mike Stone, Jamison's father, has built a web site dedicated to this beast. www.monsterpig.com

Keith O'Neal
Southeastern Trophy Hunters
PO Box 3908
Oxford, AL. 36203
256-831-1211 day
256-831-4424 night
256-831-2207 fax
Keith@southeasterntrophyhunters.com
www.southeasterntrophyhunters.com

.308sniper · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2007, 11:27:57 AM »

i would hate for that pig to charge me.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2007, 04:41:13 PM »

Why would it take 16 rounds to kill it?

Cheese

NONYA · « **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2007, 05:42:00 PM »

says it took 3 hours and 16 shots...nothin to brag about in my opinion,took you 3 hours to kill a feral pig with a .50?

Big Game Hunter · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2007, 04:29:09 AM »

The boar had a 2" shield around his vitals and the rounds were not getting into the vitals.

HL · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2007, 07:53:01 AM »

Looks to me like shot placement was the problem, Obvious gut shot in the photo.

A good 50 caliber hard cast or FMJ would penetrate a 2" shield on any hog.

My 44mag would make it to those vitals, using my 315gr. hard cast bullets.

IMO, no excuse to take that many shots and that long to harvest an animal.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2007, 08:46:20 AM »

Jamison , nice shot , way to stick with it , 4 reloads under pressure WOW ! what bullet ? a guy who was hunting at wilderness lodge shot one 6 times with a 44mag and the hits were all in the neck and head area , sometimes they are tuff !
I shot a 250 lb. boar at 20 yds with a 300 win mag in the neck in front of the right shoulder and it stood there and looked at me , didn't knock it over and the spine was hit , bullet didn't pass thru either ! shot placement is everything but the hog dosen't always act like they should , guess they don't watch the hunting shows and know when to give up !

NONYA · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2007, 06:26:58 PM »

You shot a hog in the spine with a 300wm and he stood there and looked at you?BS

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2007, 06:47:07 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 18, 2007, 08:46:20 AM

I shot a 250 lb. boar at 20 yds with a 300 win mag in the neck in front of the right shoulder and it stood there and looked at me , didn't knock it over and the spine was hit , bullet didn't pass thru either ! shot placement is everything but the hog dosen't always act like they should , guess they don't watch the hunting shows and know when to give up !

Maybe a hog anatomy lesson is in order.

http://www.texasboars.com/anatomy.html

drdougrx · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2007, 04:29:45 AM »

1000lb wild boar....no...I don't think so...IMHO. 1000lb feral farm hog...yeah...I can believe that. Spine shot hog that has no reaction...uh...ok...if you say so.....but....

I'm glad the kid got to shoot, though I can't really say hunt based on the kinda stuff I do. I just hope he has the chance to learn about the real side of the sport. High fence ranches are nice and I use'm a lot cause of my personal situation, but, his Dads responsibility...IMO...is to show him the what real hunting is. I'd like to see the kid go on a wild hunt for hogs and then post those pics.

Idle rambling.....

NONYA · « **Reply #10 on:** May 19, 2007, 07:14:05 AM »

Idle rambling of a hunter who knows what hunting is really about.You could drop a 3000 lb red angus bull with a 300wm spine shot,these "hog hunters" want to make it sound like they are hunting cape buffalo with a 22 lr,these feral hogs are nothing more than escaped or more likely released farm stock,go hunt a Russian bore,thats pig hunting.Our ranch neighbors have a hog in their horse pasture that looks bigger than the one they shot,I wonder if i they will let me shoot it with my bow and post pics here"took me 4 doz. arrows and 3 days,what a hunt!"

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:34:18 PM »

Nonya , until it happened i would have thought " BS "too , it was a 180 soft point factory load from federal ,
the shot was no more than 20 yards the bullet ( what was left of it )was touching the spine when the boar was dressed !WE were hunting at a place in tenn. and they took mine in and cleaned it while a friend and i hunted for a boar he could shoot ! so i was told where the bullet was found , it was a russian boar mix , they called it a cave hog , it was in the 250 lb size , they aged it at 9 years old . the boar never took another step ,but didn't fall over for some time either i have to be honest i have no idea how long it took him to fall over but it was long enough for me to wonder how anything could take a hit like that and only flinch a little the only thing the guides and i could figure, the bullet for what ever reason came apart and came to rest at the spine and paralyzed him , i know where ya'll are comming from , my family killed 4-5 hogs a year when i was young used a .22 short , i still have the gun .
the kid may have had a similar problem ! No matter what topic one checks out there is always one or more expert that knows everything , i will admit i have a limited number of hogs , but i live in a state where we can kill more deer than we can eat i no longer keep count of deer killed but i'm over 50 and been hunting since i was 8 i'm sure i average over 3 a year and i wouldn't begin to tell someone how a deer will react to a shot , seen um run 200 yards with their insides draging behind them and others drop at the shot ! IF you can count on anything when hunting expect the unexpected ! and while i'm on a soap box why break on a kid ? we need all the young hunters we can get !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NONYA · « **Reply #12 on:** May 19, 2007, 04:20:34 PM »

Any thread or WEBSITE telling a story about a hunter needing that many shots or 3 HOURS to kill game does nothing for the sport,its idiotic to brag about a poorly killed animal,i dont care if its a deer,turkey,coyote, or the farmers 1000 lb pig.I will never buy the story about a 300 wm spine shot at 20 feet not putting a pig down,if it happened it was poor loading or bullet choice,no pig is that tough.

HL · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2007, 04:25:27 PM »

I agree, we need more young hunters, but they need to be taught the correct way to hunt and be prepared and skilled.

It is evident, by the photos above and the statement that it took 16 shots and 3 hours, that this young man was not skilled enough using
a pistol to attempt to take an animal of this size.

Nothing personal against this young man, I put that responsibility on the father.

I started hunting alone when I was 6. My dad had me target shooting and shooting rabbits until I almost never missed the bullseye or the rabbit, before I was allowed to even attempt a shot at a deer or turkey. I imagine even at 11, with a rifle, he would not have allowed me to attempt to take a hog of that size, due to the possible danger.

Even now at 49, I would make sure to have enough gun to take something of that size, quick and humane.

Again, nothing personal towards the kid. Good to see a young man like that shooting, but please get a little practice in shot placement and use a gun you can handle and master, so the animals you harvest are taken with some dignity.

Good luck in the future,

HL

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2007, 05:03:59 PM »

nonya it was 20 yds.not 20 feet i think the way i said it appeared to be bullet failure ! and in fact the hog died , just didn't get knocked off his feet ' like i said before some know it all and every shot they have ever made was perfect ! the rest of us are just human ! by the way why don't you explain exactly how a 250 lb. hog reacts every time when shot exactly like i shot mine with a .300wm ?
HL i agree , the father should have been more responsible and that should have been pointed out when the the kid was dressed down eariler , hey i had a witness to the hog shot with the 300 yet someone who was not there knows more about it than the eye witnesses ! but with the kid and his hog if the bullet failed and that was the only ammo ya got what should ya do ? walk away cause the bullet didn't work on the first shot ?as far as 3 hours where was the hunt , how far did they track the pig ? did all shots connect ? or did some miss at a pig running thru who knows what ? it would have been nice for someone to have had a gun and backed the kid up !
and for what its worth both my sons could shoot my 454 with full house loads at that age and hit good with it !
guess i'm willing to give a fellow hunter the benefit of the doubt !

NONYA · « **Reply #15 on:** May 19, 2007, 05:37:52 PM »

Try to pick an adequate bullet next time and maybe you can kill a hog a bit quicker with a 300 wm at 60 FEET,you tried to make it sound like it was do to how tough pigs are,it was poor bullet choice that caused the problem.A 250 lb pig aint no tougher than a big bull elk that weighs 2-3 times more and any decent bullet out of a 300 will sever the backbone at 400 yards let alone 60 feet.Shot placement is just as important as bullet choice,yours was poor if your 300 wm cant penetrate a pigs spine at 60 feet,it dont take a pig expert to figure that out,I have killed them with a hammer,they aint that tough.

fknipfer · « **Reply #16 on:** May 19, 2007, 06:48:12 PM »

Anybody that would allow an animal to suffer for three hours before it was killed shouldn't be allowed to hunt neither father or son. I can't believe and then they bragged about it. I guess it takes all kinds but sometimes you wonder why.

fknipfer

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #17 on:** May 20, 2007, 04:29:42 AM »

Gee that load was suppose to be a good ELK load too ! by the way how did a thin skin game get involved in a conversation about tuff skined game ? lets just agree to disagree , you have your ideas and the rest of us have our experiences , with respect to 3 hrs. if the pig laid in plain sight i agree if on the other hand it was a chase thru. tuff ground then maybe it couldn't be helped , seems alot of people are fast to judge , maybe the kid or his father will give the complete account with the reasons , then all can decide !
NONYA the boar didn't take one step after the shot , in fact fell over dead where it stood , so how can the bullet/round be faulted ? believe it or not we agree on the fact the bullet didn't do what we thought it should have done ! ( small world ) and that was my point sometimes things don't always happen like WE think they should ! so all will know how i feel about this let me make myself clear , first lets get the facts , 2 lets not judge until the facts are heard , then lets place any blame on the person responsible if irresponsibility is evident ! 3 i will never use that load on hogs again , got a .356 win. now ! 220 flat pt. 4 placing blame is much like shooting , a snap shot ain't always good , it is much better to check out the target and whats around it then make a good clean shot at the best target !thanks to all for good conversation on ethics !

NONYA · « **Reply #18 on:** May 20, 2007, 06:56:01 AM »

Where i come from we call people that brag about poorly killed game slob hunters,if the kid needed 3 hours to kill the pig he shouldnt have been hunting,maybe it was his weapon maybe it was poor instruction,you can see in the pics that the hog is gut shot,Im not gonna slap somebody on the back for a ridiculously poor job of killing game.

drdougrx · « **Reply #19 on:** May 20, 2007, 01:56:42 PM »

Well said Nonya!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:41:11 AM »

NONYA ,well i guess the kid and father have had long enough to step up and explain !

qajaq59 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 21, 2007, 02:54:59 AM »

I don't know how they could even follow a hog for 3 hours, much less get close enough to get another shot at one again with a hand gun. I've hunted enough of them now to know they can run like a deer once they're spooked. Plus where we hunt that hog would have been in a different county after that amount of time.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** May 21, 2007, 04:38:40 AM »

hog hunting is somewhat new to me , but the Russian boar mix we hunted and the razor backs we saw look a lot different than some of the hogs posted on this and other sites , the hog i shot had no bacon , not much if any fat , alot of the hogs show alot of middling( bacon )as we call it around here , not to take anything away from any hog just seems to be a difference , the shoulder plate on the hog i got was impressive , do the other boars have it also ? if not it could explain the different reaction when shot with different bullets if hit in the shoulder !

Graybeard · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2007, 05:29:21 AM »

In this case it is doubtful the father or son are even aware that this was posted to this site. I'd not expect a comment here from either and even if they found it as many negative posts as have been made they likely wouldn't.

I've tried hard to refrain from posting to this thread as I have personal knowledge of the "guide/outfitter" in this matter. Rather than go into detail on my bad experieces with him I'll just say that my opinion of him (not the poster but his partner) is lower than whale feces. Yes I know him well and have hunted with him for 2-3 seasons and took two out of state hunting trips with him so I've got a fair deal of knowledge of his methods and tactics. Therefore I'm NOT in the least bit surprised at the result of this "hunt".

Now I'm not sure precisely where this "hunt" took place but reasonably near to me I'd bet since both the poster and his partner are in the same county as me. I'm reasonably certain it was in a small fenced enclosure, that the hog was pen raised to this size and released into the small enclosure just for this "hunt". I cannot be certain of these comments because as I said I severed relations with the partner very shortly after the ill fated trip to Colorado that is posted in the CampFire Tales section here. I try hard to avoid saying bad things about folks and since I have absolutely NOTHING good to say I'll say no more.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** May 21, 2007, 06:11:35 AM »

Graybeard thanks for insight !
NONYA , i concede you were correct this time , as were the rest that sided with you but as GB likes not to say bad things i like to give the benefit of doubt until all hope is exhausted ! thanks for the good conversation , look forward to more on a better subject !

NONYA · « **Reply #25 on:** May 21, 2007, 06:54:17 AM »

"whale feces".....

ROFL!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** May 21, 2007, 07:00:51 AM »

I thought that was jelly fish !

S_J_KENNELS · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2007, 02:22:41 PM »

nice domestic hog....

darat100 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2007, 05:38:46 AM »

I am really bothered by some of the comments here. No, I am not a fan of high fences. If that is how this was done, it sure loses some of its appeal. However, some of you are bad mouthing this kid for taking 3 hours to kill this hog. I am guessing he didn't sit still after the first bad shot. Anyone who says they have never made a bad shot is full of ****. You may have been lucky enough that your "bad shots" happen on days when you practice rather than at game, but you have made them. Anyone who has put a bad shot on an animal also knows that it can take a while to catch up to him to finish the deal at times. Give the kid a break. When you were 11 you wouldn't have been proud of this hog? At that age he can say high fences are no fun, but it would only be because he was told that. I highly doubt he would have any understanding. Some guys don't as adults or we wouldn't have them at all.

Zachary · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2007, 06:51:16 AM »

While I agree with the spirit of what you said, I don't think that anyone has any specific ill will towards the young man who shot the pig. Yes, we all have made bad shots in our life, and so too has this young man.

However, I can't help but analogize this situation with a dangerous game hunt in Africa. In this case, the young man is like a hunter in Africa, and the boy's father is like a PH. If a hunter in Africa takes a shot at a cape buffalo, then the PH is there as a back-up to shoot it to make sure that it goes down and doesn't harm anyone. But even if the game was a kudu, or any other animal, a PH is there as a back-up to make sure that the animal does not run off at a bad shot and subsequently suffers.

Here too, the father had 16 opportunities to put that dangerous animal down. And for anyone to say that a 1,000 pig is not dangerous - feral or not, is rubbish. Heck, I have been charged by a 150 pound feral pig and he was a nasty, mean son-of-a-gun. I can't imagine what could have happend if this 1,000 pound monster started to charge anyone!

And even if it wasn't such a monster, the father had 16 opportunities to at least make sure that the animal did not die such a long and painful death.

16 shots at an animal with a .500S&W? We are not talking about ONE bad shot. We are not talking about 2 bad shots. We are talking about 15 bad shots. That means that the boy went through at least 3 sessions to reload the 5-shot revolver. The father/PH should have stepped in. Just my honest opinion.

Zachary