Author Topic: 45-70 Full mannlicher straight grip finished Pic's for your approval. (Read 2693 times)

fanner50 · « **on:** September 30, 2007, 07:33:56 AM »

I don't know what started my fascination with the full mannlicher. Perhaps it was my good huntin buddies and mentor the late James Stanley's full mann .257 with double set triggers and hand carved walnut stock, or the want for a Ruger RSI that I couldn't afford. Which ever it was I have now created two of my own. I posted pics earlier of the Stinger full mann and now here is the "45-70 timber lam. full mann straight grip" that I just finished. Thanks to Tim I have the coveted lock knob on the Williams Peep and Fire sight on the nose. My signature 45 deg forend that makes it easier to use in a scabbard and the" Montana Sling" that accompanies all of my rifles. It also has a Simms recoil pad and a 11 oz. Mercury recoil suppressor in the butt stock. I am still waiting on the brass and bullets to arrive so range report will have to wait. I have to attend a Judge's conference in Butte this week so I will be anxious to return. Hope you all enjoy the pic's.
regards - Fanner 50 aka Gary

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quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:42:41 AM »

That's looking really nice, Gary!! I have a checkered camo straight stock like that, but the matching forend is on the thumbhole 7x57, may just have to order a GSI mannlicher forend to put on the 357 or 44mag when I get it, nice work and thanks for the enticing photos!!

Tim

Mac11700 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:51:12 AM »

I hope it shoots as good as it looks...Thanks for sharing...

Mac

McLernon · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:24:23 AM »

Very nice!!!

Mc

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2007, 12:09:07 PM »

Boy I have to say I am one of those people that never really cared for the look of the mannlicher forend but yours really does look great!!!!!!!!! That is a very very very nice set up and hope it shoots as good as it looks. Dale

rbergum95 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2007, 12:55:58 PM »

i approve. btw GREAT LOOKING RIFLE!!

Fred M · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2007, 03:11:37 PM »

What spoils the looks of this forearm, is the barrel sticking out past the wood.
The fore arm tip should have a blued metal cap. An ebony or rosewood schnabel
tip would be acceptable too. The barrel should not stick more than 1/8" or even a bit less.You still can do it and it would make the forearm look professional. And of course both the butt and forearm should be checkered.

fanner50 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2007, 04:11:15 PM »

Fred - If I was building a conventional rifle for someone that wanted it that way I would agree with you. I am building rifles for me that I like and I don't happen to care for checkering. I like a thumb-hole or pistol grip on most of my rifles this one being the exception. No checkering makes them easier to refinish when needed. The forend tip at the 45deg. angle allows for easy retrieval from a scabbard and I like the look of the little bit of barrel sticking past the end".Heck Fred if we all liked the same thing everybody would be chasing my wife." By the by that .257 Roberts you built is a beauty.
Regards - F50

Fred M · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:09:56 PM »

Fanner50
When I build a custom stock I always apply accepeted standards set forth by the masters. I have studied custom stocks, have many books on custom stocks
and many pictures I have collected over the years.

Carving custon stocks has been my spare time hoppy. I made a few for myself
and a few for others. I remember making a stock for a guy that toke me almost a year with the most beautiful piece of walnut you ever want to look
at. He got nasty wanted to know why its taking so long.

The end result was a fine custom stock anybody would be proud to own.
There are simply certain standards that apply to custom stocks. People that
do not know acceptable standards can never produce a fine stock.

Whether you like checkering or not is not the issue, it simple belongs on a custom stock. Sorry to ruffle your feathers, but you ask for approval, well I could not approve. Sorry.

Fat NDN · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:26:30 PM »

Where did you get a stock like that, it looks great?

stalker1 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:10:15 AM »

Looks great!!! What is acceptable is in the eye of the beholder/owner/customer. Standards are meant to be changed, improved or updated or pretty soon everything starts looking the same. What is your next project?

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:22:57 AM »

I think what Fred is talking about is from the standpoint of a classic Mannlicher. In which case I think he's right. There are certain things that the gunmakers recognize as being "the standard." Personally I am fascinated with old world crafts. My grandfather was German and those things just captivate me.

Everyone like what they like and for it to be custom it's made for you by you which is also quite acceptable.

Did the stocks come from Gun Stocks Inc. the sponsor on this site?

Rusty <><

darat100 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:24:27 AM »

Fanner, that is one sweet rifle.

I just don't understand sometimes. Where I was raised, if someone shows up with something they are proud of, you either tell them how nice it looks if you like, or if you don't, you keep your dang mouth shut. No need in putting someone down. You may not like what I do, and I may not like what you like, but I am not going to tell your project is done poorly because it doesn't fit my fancy.

If all the negative souls in this world would put all that energy into positive thoughts, wow, what a place this would be.

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2007, 10:04:51 AM »

I do not see the butter knife bolt handle

Fred M · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:19:02 AM »

Here is a typical Manlicher forarm tip. This is the factory Ruger#1 International
forearm taken from a picture. Pretty nice for a factory job.

Scibaer · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2007, 02:02:20 AM »

Take this how you'd like, i read this thread and was disappointed at some of the responses. Fanner did one hell of a nice job on that mannlicher, he even asked what caliber it would be best on. clearly this project was important to him. as a matter of fact, one of the so called masters is a lodge brother of mine. "Joe" has been around, knows the heads of firearm manfacturers personally and just had a rifle he fully engraved on the cover of one of leading rifle mags. When i told him of the topic and statements of this thread, he laughed and said " well the masters didnt always know what looked best, they did some things beacause it was easiest". Joe's statement parallels my own, and i think that if you cant say something positive about a guys project, dont say a word thats negative. We are a small NEF community here and we should supports the efforts of our brothers. Guns and gun owners get bashed enough without us bashing our own. If Fanner wanted expose a bit of the barrel with his projects design, then thats great. Who's to say that wrong, the masters ? who told them ?
just my own two cents, glenn macgregor

d_hiker · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2007, 03:56:11 AM »

I am impressed at how well the forend wood matches the butt stock. I think it is a project well done.

PartsMan · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2007, 04:16:14 AM »

Nicely Done.
A beautiful rifle.

Fred M · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2007, 12:20:44 PM »

Well I am the only one out of 17 that offered a critique simply it was asked
for approval My critique was not ment to run down the man's work.

A critique is designed to improve the product and give a chance to the artist
to have another good look at his creation whether it is sell-able or not.

If you send in a manuscript of your book for approval you better not
get upset when the editor has objection.

Many of you have approved of the stock& for-arm and that is ok by me but that does not change my position, nor do I feel in error.

Show and tell is not the same as Approval

carp · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2007, 04:08:25 PM »

I don't think Fred was trying to downgrade it. I think he was giving his honest opinion as was asked. I think it looks great!

fanner50 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2007, 05:51:26 PM »

Hi to all. I just returned from a Judges training conference and was able to get on line. Fred did not ruffle my feathers. I asked for opinions and therefore should be and am a big enough man to accept criticism. If we all thought alike this would be a very boring world. I believe the word custom rifle means just that, something outside the norm and accepted structure. As Fred points out you can get a normal full mannlicher from Ruger and it is very well done. I wanted to "think outside the box" and Fred you have assured me that I accomplished my goal. We are a small community of guys that like this inexpensive little rifle and I have read many posts by Fred that have been helpful to all. I really appreciate all the nice positive comments and that also shows me that I accomplished my goal. Lets not forget my #1 goal was to build a rifle I liked and then I chose to share my efforts with "ALL" of you and accept the comments in the spirit they were made. Next project is a 22H that is being re-chambered to a .218 Bee and I am going to put it in the full dress ATI stock and camo it. Will look a little like an M16. Thanks to all - F50 aka Judge Gary Hicks Lincoln County Montana.

Fred M · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2007, 06:43:41 PM »

Fanner50
You are a good sport. One thing about the Manlicher stock and I have worked on a few, I never was impressed with the accurcy of that type of forearm.

Recently someone brought over a Sauer 243 with a Manlicher forearm, he ask
me to make it shoot, With the expensive German scope and mounts this rifle
cost nearly $5000. That rifle could not compete with a Handi. But is sure was good looking.

Had to go to the range three times and got it to shoot a bit over an inch. The man was happy with that. Sauer has a reputation for super accurate rifle
barrels.

Spanky · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2007, 02:03:05 AM »

Fanner50,

I think you did a great job on that rifle, it's a beauty!!

Spanky

fanner50 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2007, 10:10:25 AM »

The semi finished stock came from Gun-stocks Inc. It's not in their catalog. Just call them and tell them you want a mannlicher for-end I believe the cost was $65 plus S&H. I have used a number of their stocks and have been very pleased with the quality and the great service they provide. I do 220 grit first then 400 then 600 then Linspeed with the fingers and let dry over night. Second coat of Linspeed and when it dries 0000 steel wool then one more coat of Linspeed and steel wool then a good coat of mothers carnuba wax and buff then wipe with silicone rag. Not a shiny finish more of a satin sheen. On the full mannlichers I RTV bed to about 2" in front of the lug and float the rest. If required for accuracy you can then create RTV pillars out to the end to absorb the barrel harmonics.
Regards to all - F50

fanner50 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 09, 2007, 09:31:17 AM »

Range report .......... 350gr Hornady RNFP over 45 gr of 4198....... Three leaf clover at 100 yds 3" high. Recoil noticeable but not objectionable I think the 11 oz Mercury recoil suppressor is the hot set-up. Now I just need that buffalo tag. - F50

quickdtoo · « **Reply #25 on:** October 09, 2007, 09:51:05 AM »

Tis good news indeed, now all ya need is that Buffler permit!!

Tim

Wambo · « **Reply #26 on:** October 09, 2007, 10:27:11 AM »

Looks good and shoots good-What more can you ask for?

Bob

lrs · « **Reply #27 on:** October 10, 2007, 01:15:28 PM »

I think you did one helluva job, and I like it.

cascadedad · « **Reply #28 on:** October 10, 2007, 05:27:33 PM »

I like it a lot. More importantly, you like it!

GatCat · « **Reply #29 on:** October 10, 2007, 09:06:35 PM »

F50, here is one more " I like it". It reminds of the military training rifles in the early 1900's . Also a good number of .22's came with a long stock, I think a "boy-scout" model was made along the line. If it was in a low-recoiling caliber, I think it would ( wood?) look good with a finger-groove in the forearm, again like some military rifles. With the laminates, the colors would sort of "zig-zag" in the grooves. Also, those military trainers I mentioned had the tip of the barrel protruding a bit, for bayonet attachment. A P-17 bayo might come in "handy" in case of charging hordes of Prairie Dogs. Which reminds me, how do you keep prairie dogs from charging??? Take away their credit cards!!!
Mark