Author Topic: Extractors Vs. Ejectors (Read 2233 times)

IC Cowboy · « **on:** November 01, 2007, 11:14:54 AM »

Is an ejector more valuable than a new extractor? Opinions Please....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 01, 2007, 11:20:57 AM »

Ejectors are more popular, there's no doubt about that, given two identical barrels in any given chambering, posted in the Classifieds, the ejector will sell first and possibly for a tad bit more money.

An ejector can be modifiied to be a spring extractor, but extractors can't be modifiied to eject, at least not without some serious machine work.

Tim

Sourdough · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2007, 05:30:03 AM »

I don't and won't own any extractors. Great news, just got off the phone with Jennifer at H&R. They were able to repair my .223 Ultra with ejector. I'm happy it stayed ejector, otherwise I would have sold it. You just can't find them anymore.

rex6666 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2007, 05:55:23 AM »

sourdough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIGHT ON
still can't understand why they can't offer both.
different stocks, barrels,sights or no sights ONE EXTRACTOR BUT WE HAVE BEAT THIS HORSE AT LEAST ONCE BEFORE

PartsMan · « **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:00:40 AM »

I for one love my extractors.
I was happy to get rid of ejector when I traded barrels.
My extractor is smoother, quieter, and it always extracts.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:12:19 AM »

The reason for extractors is simple, COST. It's not only less expensive to build with less parts and no fitting, but less expensive to maintain since no one should have extraction complaints, which was a BIG problem for the vast majority of owners that didn't know how to avoid FTEs. Marlin isn't interested in a Custom Shop, so forget the option of ejectors or extractors, just be glad ejectors are still available on shotguns and rimfires, for now anyway.

That's not to mention the liability issues ejectors present.

Tim

Mac11700 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:17:31 AM »

I like both..As a hand loader...having an extractor is wonderful...and as a hunter having a working ejector on a hunting rifle is nice to some times...Up where Rog is at...I can see the need for a fast reload...but..down here...where you don't has his worries..it isn't that big a deal...Like I said...I own both(at least for right now..

) and use both..

Mac

rex6666 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:53:17 AM »

ok you guys have beaten me in to submission, guess i will have to except the extractor,
on new barrels.
but i will hunt through garbage cans and trash dumps and garage sales looking for ejectors

Sourdough · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2007, 08:47:39 AM »

I agree with rex6666!!!! I'm looking at gun shows and small dealers for guns with ejectors. That's why the T/Cs stay home and the Handi's go hunting. Wish they made ejectors for my T/C .338WM.

bluebayou · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2007, 09:49:53 AM »

I will beat this dead horse on the ground, on the way to the glue factory, where ever.

Extractors are too difficult for 2nd shot in woods.

glwenzl · « **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:09:11 AM »

Funny about different strokes for different folks... The ejector is the ONLY reason i only have 4 barrels for my NEF. As a matter of fact i might be interested in trading straight across for anyone with ejectors.... I won't post the trade info here but will do so on the classifieds right after this post... Yeah I know about converting the ejector but it is still a spring deal and not often but if i get a stuck case i would much prefer a solid extractor...

Second shot in the field??? Come on now these are Handis, ya don't need a second shot! LOL

Oh, I about forgot... I do luv the ejectors though! They are great for rimfires... Never had a rimfire stick a cases and when shooting at my range i would much prefer the case flying over my shoulder... One day my son and I shot up 500 rounds of 22 LR ammo and boy was my finger sore after picking em all out of my contender!

You asked my opinion and there it is but we all know what they are like...

shooting.al · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:40:15 AM »

I hate to ask but, whats the difference between an ejector and an extractor. My gun removes the shell slowly but its spring loaded, is it an ejector?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:43:20 AM »

A properly operating ejector will throw the case over your shoulder, and extractor just lifts the case about ¼". You can see the different types in the FAQs.

Tim

44 Man · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2007, 11:05:29 AM »

On my Buffalo Classic, I got real tired in a hurry of chasing my brass in the bushes behind my shooting bench! So I changed that to a spring extractor. When I got my 30-30, I was glad it had an ejector. It is a hunting gun and most of it's use will be in the woods while the Buffalo Classic sees much more use at the bench. There is a place for both. 44 Man

mitchell · « **Reply #14 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:11:14 PM »

i have no problem with fast fallow up shots with my extractors and i would rather have my shell come out everytime and i have to pull it out then it not come out at all .

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:23:47 PM »

If extractors were as big a problem as some people would like others to believe, there certainly wouldn't be any happy TC owners, ALL Encores and most Contenders are extractors!!

Tim

shooting.al · « **Reply #16 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:47:01 PM »

Well in this case I love my extractor. I mean who needs shells flying out when its one shot one kill. Plus I reload so I don't want to search for my shells. It has never failed me.

Sourdough · « **Reply #17 on:** November 02, 2007, 05:38:45 PM »

Quick: Like I said the T/Cs stay home and the Handi's go hunting. The only T/C I have that sees any action is the TCR with the .338 barrel. The Encore has not been in the field more than two or three times. The Contender only as an emergency gun in the plane in pistol form with the .45/410 barrel.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:02:55 PM »

That's just you tho Rog, how many tens of thousands of TC owners are out there that don't have a problem with em!!

Tim

glwenzl · « **Reply #19 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:09:33 PM »

Hey SD you and I are almost opposites... Fully respect your thoughts on this however while my Hand's stay at home I hunt with my Contenders a lot and the 7-30 Waters has taken more deer than almost any other riffle/handgun I use... The TCR is the finest of em all though (IMHO)....

bluebayou · « **Reply #20 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »

Mitchell brings up a point that I never considered about reliablility.......I didn't realize that there was that many problems with the ejectors. Sure mine threw the brass 10 feet, but they did it ALL of the time. I know that there used to be threads about cleaning and polishing chambers, but I thought that they were the exception.

One shot, one kill is great, but what if there are two deer? Oh, excuse me while I pull my empty brass out.........

Everyone has a preference, that's cool.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #21 on:** November 03, 2007, 02:58:03 AM »

OK guys, lets keep this on track and cut to the chase, here is the question that started this thread:

"Is an ejector more valuable than a new extractor?

and here is the answer, by our own indisputable quickdtoo:

"Ejectors are more popular, there's no doubt about that, given two identical barrels in any given chambering, posted in the Classifieds, the ejector will sell first and possibly for a tad bit more money."

I agree with Tim, the ejectors sell for more money, quicker, and are no longer made. They are also preferred by the majority of members here. It was the few disgruntled members here and/or lawyers for H&R/NEF who may have listened to foolish arguments that may have led to the demise of the ejector fittted barrels from H&R/NEF. Since they routinely (always!!) sell quicker and for more money than the extractor fitted barrels, the answer to the question is:

Yes, an ejector fitted barrel is more valuable than an extractor fitted barrel....<><....

Individual preferences may be, and are, out there, but the answer to the question is the same....

BAGTIC · « **Reply #22 on:** November 21, 2007, 07:12:35 AM »

I prefer ejectors. By the time I was 12 years old I had figured out that if I didn't want the fired case flying off into a blackberry thicket I could place my hand over the breech as I opened it.

aulrich · « **Reply #23 on:** November 21, 2007, 08:02:21 AM »

This is me typing quietly enjoying 100% reliability and it seems lower prices too

Now if the post office would just deliver that barrel.

Default · « **Reply #24 on:** November 21, 2007, 08:26:24 AM »

Well boys,

My first Handi is a 357 mag ejector , which is great since i dont really reload that caliber yet and considering the accuracy out of it with the factory remmies i cant and have no complaints ... but it isnt a range baby , its a bare bones hunting rig that kills the target at 100 yrds (1900 fps @ the muzzle and 1018 lbs. of energy)

Now i just got my first barrel from another member here in the mail today , and i choose it due to it being an extractor ,like another said ....chasing brass can be a pain , for the reloader not wanting everyone passing behind you to be stepping on your empties
And while i have no doubts that this new 223 barrel will be going hunting , even then ... im of the belief if i take the shot and for whatever (Murphy's law) reason i miss , then well extract or eject set aside , the animal is off the hook

Anyhow my 2 cents,

Default

Mac11700 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2007, 08:34:01 AM »

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It was the few disgruntled members here and/or lawyers for H&R/NEF who may have listened to foolish arguments that may have led to the demise of the ejector fittted barrels from H&R/NEF

No...this isn't exactly the whole story Andy...and this has been discussed before...The reason is this...NEF was having fits with some of the chambers and cases sticking left & right..hundreds of them...long before this issue ever saw the light of day......The first response to answer their EAST COAST liability lawyers were to reduce the spring tension with a weaker ejector spring...this was the way of it for well over a year...This compounded their existing problems...now...with the rough & sloppy chambers...and weaker springs...failure to eject was an almost certainty on most of the rimless cartridges... This went on for over a year...until the ejectors were beginning to be replaced with the extractors...Sure some folks here wanted extractors...many still do...many like myself like both...but tell the whole story...just don't blame many of us here who asked for them or their shysters...err...lawyers...They got their chambers mostly in order...maybe 1 day they will bring back the ejectors too...If folks are that adamant about them...a letter campaign wouldn't hurt at all...ya know..

Mac

glwenzl · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2007, 02:10:27 PM »

Just for the heck of it I decided to give up any or all of my ejector barrels and make a straight across trade for the extractor barrels thinking that if the ejector barrels are worth more $$ it would be a good deal to someone who really wanted the ejectors (it didn’t even have to be the same caliber).... I ran the add here in the classifieds for a while with only one response and that was to trade my barrel for something besides a NEF barrel of which I had no interest in doing.....

I can get by with either or, holding your hand over the round is easy enough but when it come right down to reliability I’ll take the extractor over the ejector any day unless of course it is a 22 rimfire plinker… Just have had too many cases stick in everything from a 22 hornet to a 223 and 243….

bearbeater · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2007, 04:17:42 PM »

hey
I can eject a 45-70 and an 06 empty straight in the air load the gun and then catch the brass.
took practice and cant do it all the time but I can do it. I cant do it with an extractor. My rifles are hunters not hair splitters
my .02
BB
ejectors as a factory option make more money
DAH!!

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2007, 03:28:01 AM »

The only advantage I see of the ejectors in a hunting situation would be if you're wearing gloves, which would present a problem with extractors, for a fast followup shot.

Like Default said earlier about the animal being off the hook is true, the chance you are going to even get that followup shot are going to be rare, and if your shot was well placed, speed of reloading shouldn't matter!

But if it matters to you, then a bolt gun may be the better choice for you!

lonewolf5348 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2007, 04:05:34 AM »

Tim: I must have the ejector on my 30-06 and like you stated A properly operating ejector will throw the case over your shoulder.
I had a few problems with it at first but I did correct it now and it works flawless.
I found the spring was bent on a angle after I took the ejector bar out of the housing.I polished all parts with 1500 wet@dry oiled reassembled and it works like a dream.
I must of hand the same set up on my B.C. before I sold it I remember I got hit in the forehead a few times after the fired shell came out of the action