25ACP Conversion

[30-06man]

The conversion uses a breechplug that takes a 25ACP brass case with a rifle primer in place of the 209 shotgun primer. The result is a primer with less power and elimination of the crud ring that happens with a 209 primer and 777 powder. (the 209 primer also causes a similar fouling ring with other synthetics but 777 is the worst in my rifle). The 25 cartridge case is easier to handle than the 209 also due to increased length. When the inline manufacturers were looking for a more reliable ignition source the 209 primer was the only thing immediately available that would fit in the space available. With the 25 conversion you will have to load your own primers but the results are worth the effort. You can contact Precision Rifle at  (204) 866-2206. or email sales@prbullet.com check web site http://www.prbullet.com/index.htm. I'm not sure how many rifles they make a conversion for. I know they handle the T/C Encore, Omega some Winchester and some CVA and I expect others.


You need a Lee priming tool and the 25 acp shell holder to prim, you can buy a cheap O lee single stage press and a universal depriming die to knock out the primers, from the mail order places probably around $35.

[deerjackie]

 they dont make any adapters for a knight disc rifle. do you know anyone who does? thanks

[30-06man]

No I sure don't. If you go back a few pages on this forum you might find out how to make one. A few on the site has made their own but I am not sure it was for a Knight.

[Varmint Hunter]

they dont make any adapters for a knight disc rifle. do you know anyone who does? thanks

If "Buckhorn 209" powder is as good as some people have suggested you will want to keep your current 209 ignition system. Buckhorn 209 doesn't even need the new BP 209 primers that have a less potent flame. It is supposed to work better with the regular (and much cheaper) regular 209 primers.

[30-06man]

The power cost a little more but if its as good as they say its worth it. I would look into it also.

[bjgolfnut]

HEY,  If Buckhorn is going to cost $30 to $35 for 10oz as I have heard and, 777 cost around $22 a Lbs.($12 when WalMart puts it on sale) How can it be worth it
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[30-06man]

Just wait and see when it comes out. I expect it to be cheaper than expected.

[Busta]

HEY,  If Buckhorn is going to cost $30 to $35 for 10oz as I have heard and, 777 cost around $22 a Lbs.($12 when WalMart puts it on sale) How can it be worth it
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Bruce,

Blackhorn 209 has a MSRP of $30, hopefully (but doubtfully) it will be less than that. However, people don't balk at paying $32.99 for 100 Triple Se7en pellets at Wal*Mart. Triple Se7en pellets at that price would be $1.00 per shot for a 150 gr (3 pellet) charge. With a net of 33 charges per box. If you were able to get T7 Pellets for $25 per 100 count box, a 150 grain (3 pellet) charge would still cost you 75.75 cents per charge.

10 oz of Blackhorn 209 loose powder would give you 4375 grains by weight per container. According to Toby, a 100 gr VOLUME charge weighs in at just under 70 grains by WEIGHT. (using 70 grains as the weight) That would be 62.5 charges at 100 grains VOLUME per container. He also states that it takes about 110 grains BH 209 for an equivalent T7 3 pellet charge. If that is the case that should leave 56.8 charges per container at 110 grains by VOLUME (77 grains by WEIGHT) costing 52.8 cents per shot.

If you do the math, that would mean that Blackhorn 209 would be half the cost of T7 pellets at Wal*Marts price, and only 2/3 the cost of T7 pellets at $25 per box.

It all boils down to perspective, Hodgdon has been fleecing their T7 pellet customers for years, nobody seems to be questioning that.

In all fairness T7 loose powder at $25 per pound would be 90 shots at 100 grain VOLUME (77.7 grains by WEIGHT) charges. The 110 grain by VOLUME (85.47 grains by WEIGHT) equivalent charge of T7 would give you 81.9 shots per container, at 30.52 cents per shot.

And you are right about T7 going on sale, but T7 has a very short shelf life and velocities vary greatly from old stock to fresh in my experience. The BH 209 is supposed to have a long shelf life like smokeless powders. Not that a 10 oz container would last very long, but if a guy could find an end of season sale on the stuff, you could stock up without the worry of it getting erratic like T7 can do, especially the pellets.

I am in no way approving of a $30 price point on the BH 209 powder, I hope it is much less than MSRP. I am just trying to show that there are already other powders, namely T7 pellets, that already cost more to use per shot.

I won't use this newer expensive powder for everyday shooting sessions, what I would use it for is an out West hunt that lasts a week to 10 days. $30 dollars for a truely non-corrosive powder on a hunt like that would be cheap insurance, as long as it lives up to it's hype.

[str8shooter48]

HEY,  If Buckhorn is going to cost $30 to $35 for 10oz as I have heard and, 777 cost around $22 a Lbs.($12 when WalMart puts it on sale) How can it be worth it
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Convenience. If it lives up to its claims it might be worth it. That's why GM/Ford build Cadillacs/Lincolns and Chevy Cobalts/Ford Focuses. You buy what makes you happy regardless of the price. By the way I'm not a Cadillac or Lincoln man. I'm A GMC and Pontiac man. Some people might not like the price. Some people won't care if it works for them. Getting back to the original topic. If I can get Blackhorn 209 and it works for me, I'll have a slightly used 25ACP conversion kit for sale. If it don't I'll keep it and go back to the cheap stuff.

[MikeC]

Someone asked if they make a 25 ACP conversion for the Knight disc rifle. No, but they make what they call a veriflame conversion. It is shaped exactly like a 209 promer "shell" and you put a small rifle primer into it. See http://thebuckskinner.com/variflame_primer_adapter.html

[30-06man]

HEY,  If Buckhorn is going to cost $30 to $35 for 10oz as I have heard and, 777 cost around $22 a Lbs.($12 when WalMart puts it on sale) How can it be worth it
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Convenience. If it lives up to its claims it might be worth it. That's why GM/Ford build Cadillacs/Lincolns and Chevy Cobalts/Ford Focuses. You buy what makes you happy regardless of the price. By the way I'm not a Cadillac or Lincoln man. I'm A GMC and Pontiac man. Some people might not like the price. Some people won't care if it works for them. Getting back to the original topic. If I can get Blackhorn 209 and it works for me, I'll have a slightly used 25ACP conversion kit for sale. If it don't I'll keep it and go back to the cheap stuff.

Check out the Knight ML forms and I have another sight and some Info Ill post here in a little bit. It lives up to its claims you will not be disappointed. A few members here have tested it

[DennyRoark]

I got one of these from PR for my wife's NEF Sidekick, mostly for the ease of cleaning.  WOW, MOA groups at 100 and she uses only 80 gr Pyrodex RS.  Super clean breach now, to boot, zero fouling there, and none of those dirty old orange sealers to keep track of.  Highly recommend.  BTW, had mixed results with the vari-flame in my Omega.  Going to give it another try soon.

[deerjackie]

i bought 7 lbs 777 loose for 56 bucks from a man who switched to bhorn. we are both happy. dxt is gonna love this

[Lawful Larry]

I got one of these from PR for my wife's NEF Sidekick, mostly for the ease of cleaning.  WOW, MOA groups at 100 and she uses only 80 gr Pyrodex RS.  Super clean breach now, to boot, zero fouling there, and none of those dirty old orange sealers to keep track of.  Highly recommend.  BTW, had mixed results with the vari-flame in my Omega.  Going to give it another try soon.

Thanks for the info.  I shoot a Sidekick and am thinking of making the upgrade. 

For a while I was wondering if someone would get back on topic!