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BARREL PORTING PROS AND CONS, AND NEW PORTING METHOD
« on: May 15, 2008, 07:23:33 PM »
  I'm actually writing this post to give away a  secret porting method which I came up with over 25 years ago.  I spent 6 months developing it, kept it under wraps thinking I might some day set up to do it and patent it then, but I never will.

  First I'll discuss the several porting methods I've looked at through the years and why they aren't good for cast bullets. -  All I've seen use large ports, and the manufactures say the porting works by venting off powder gasses to prevent the jet action of squirting it out the front.  First off, they are all wrong about venting off the gasses causing significant recoil reduction.  If the porting method does indeed reduce recoil it is because the forward edge of the port hole gets slapped with the powder gas as it turns it upwards, while the back edge of the port hole gets almost no pressure.  Large ports are required to make it work at all, and the muzzle blast becomes horrific and bombastic.  If the ports are larger than the distance from base of bullet to first lube groove, the gasses blasting around in the port wipes the lube out of the groove and the barrel will lead for the rest of the barrels length.  Gas checks will keep it from building up, but it doesn't help accuracy to have the bullets hinder parts striped of lube.  So the problems with all the porting I've seen , in a nutshell, are, here is almost always significant velocity loss, muzzle blast if far worse, and recoil reduction is hard to measure or feel.

  The concept I came up with uses a simple 60 degree included angle hole drilled into the barrel.  Go deep enough to leave a .1 inch hold into the bore.  Put your first hole no closer than 2 inches from the muzzle and go back from there.  I put three or four on each side of the barrel at about 45 deg from perpendicular.  If porting a rifle, start the first holes 4 inches from the muzzle, or even more, then a half inch to one inch apart.  Whatever looks best to you.

  Here's how and why it works.  The tiny .1 inch diameter hole lets off very little steam, and doesn't change chrono readings at all.  As the rapidly forward moving gas squirts out the tiny port it slides up the 30 degree angle expending it's energy rapidly as it slides/impacts this relatively wide surface, compared to a straight port hole.  After extensive shooting the forward half of the port will be blackened by powder gas and the rear half will remain clean white steel.  Because the gases are spread out and energy is absorbed on the ports front edge, they leave the barrel at a far lower velocity than from a large straight port, which in itself lessens the blast from the ported gas, but it is also directed forward, away from the shooter.  The result is dramatically reduced recoil AND MUZZLE BLAST IS REDUCED!  Because of the small amount of gas vented off, muzzle velocity isn't reduced at all, on revolver or rifle.  When measured at the shooters ear with a sound meter, the report is reduced, but though not dramatically.  But recoil reduction is dramatic, and controlable by the number of ports installed.  For example.  A 357 Ruger blackhawk I had shot all bullet weights from 125 to 240 grains into the same group without changing the sights.  Before porting, a Charger Arms buldog, 44 special, with 3 inch barrel, shooting a 280 gr WFN at 1100 fps, drew blood from my hand in three places after firing one cylinder full.  After porting there was no pain at all with the same load and it shot to the sights, whereas it went way high before porting.

  The ports can be drilled, the best drills being single flute.  Try all the brands available to find the sharpest.  I drilled through with a .090 drill first then opened the port up with the 60 deg included angle champher bit. 

  All drills push up metal as they break through, and this must be minimized.  A very shorp bit is mandatory, with light feed pressure as you get close to breaking through.  Also, fill the barrel where the porting will be with cerro safe and wait till it has time to expand to the max.  While drilling, use water with soluable cutting oil applied liberally so the metal temperature at the break through point doesn't get warm enough to soften the Cerro safe.  Melt the cerro out after drilling and the job is done.  A few lap shots is good but not required.

  Any of you interested in porting with this method, are welcome to have at it, on a personal basis for make a business of it.  I should have has since enough to give it away at least 15 years ago. 

  Please post any questions or problems you have and I'll answer the best I can.
 
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Re: BARREL PORTING PROS AND CONS, AND NEW PORTING METHOD
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2008, 09:34:38 AM »
Sounds interesting indeed!! I understand you not wanting to take on another project at this time, but it would be nice if you sell this concept to someone who could provide the service. I would not try it on my own as I would likely mess up some good barrels.
From what you are saying I don't see the downside to it.
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Re: BARREL PORTING PROS AND CONS, AND NEW PORTING METHOD
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 08:03:20 PM »
  It's to late to sell it, as I gave it to the world with this post.

  This method has no downside, and reduces recoil more than any thing else I've tried.

   Hopefully, some reader will try it and make it available to the public.  If anyone does, please place your 'ad' on this post!

   I'd love to see the concept being used extensively.
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Re: BARREL PORTING PROS AND CONS, AND NEW PORTING METHOD
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 01:20:34 AM »
 It's to late to sell it, as I gave it to the world with this post.

  This method has no downside, and reduces recoil more than any thing else I've tried.

   Hopefully, some reader will try it and make it available to the public.  If anyone does, please place your 'ad' on this post!

   I'd love to see the concept being used extensively.

Veral,
Did you have a look at the SJC titan compensator?( you can google them)
I think it's using the same principles but in a comp form.
I am using ane on my ar-15 3 gun rifle and it's the best comp yet for me.

The holes aren't conical but straight at 45° and not drilled completely through that way they leave v-shaped recoil surface for the
gases to expand against.
You can put your muzzle in front off a piece off cardboard and when shot you only have a bullet hole. Try that with another comp.
Negatif point is the muzzleblast. It's serious loud!

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Re: BARREL PORTING PROS AND CONS, AND NEW PORTING METHOD
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 03:00:49 PM »
  Negative point, increased muzzle blast.    In my not too humble opinion, I'd rather be kicked than take a jab in the ears every time my gun goes off.  This system lets most of the gasses blow straight out away from the shooter, and ALL gasses blow forward and away.  Most important to me is it softens the report heard by the shooter.  Recoil can be reduced as much as desired by simply adding ports.  The ports are tiny and don't detract from looks of the barrel as much as most porting and definately not like an add on.  Of coarse, with the tapered hole, ports are wider at the top with a thick barrel, and the wider the port the more effective.  A thin shotgun barrel needs more porting, but too much is to be avoided too.  I did an 18 1/4 inch barrel 16 guage one time, and just whacked out a bunch of ports without 'working into' the project.  The muzzle blast was deafening, but there was NO felt recoil, and this was a lightweight single shot arm breaker before I started drilling ports.

  I never shot it after hearing it blast a couple times, then a couple years later it was stolen.  I was delighted and hope the theif used a magnum load and shot inside a building the first time!
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Re: BARREL PORTING PROS AND CONS, AND NEW PORTING METHOD
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 03:08:21 PM »
Hi Veral,

This is a very interesting subject.  I've ported a few rifle barrels by drilling holes (straight wall, standard drill bits) and the results were very effective as regards recoil reduction.  But the muzzleblast was horrible.  I'm with you on this one, I'd rather be kicked any day than have my hearing ruined.

Have you tried this method on rifles?  And did it make them quieter?  In my book less recoil is a good thing, but quietening a rifle is really something.

Best Regards,

Paul

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Re: BARREL PORTING PROS AND CONS, AND NEW PORTING METHOD
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 05:40:13 PM »
  Yes, I've tried it on rifles, revolvers and one shotgun.  It made them all quieter except the shotgun which was a single shot break barrel, 16 guage, with 18 1/2 inch tube.  Had I only put a few ports in it would have been a pleasant thing to shoot, with some recoil and blast moderated, but I was playing with it and wanted to see if I could remove all recoil.  I did, with something around 20 ports, but the blast was strong enough that I only shot it a few times and retired it.  It is the one gun that I was glad to have stolen, when thieves got something around 35 of my guns.  I keep hoping it broke their eardrums!
  About the sound reduction.  I don't know that I mentioned it up front, but it can be measured with a sound meter held at the ears of the shooter.  Out to the side or forward, it doesn't increase or reduce the report.  The man who pays for the machine work is the only one who enjoys the benifits!
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