Author Topic: 45 70 powders (Read 1627 times)

jhollifield · « **on:** November 11, 2009, 03:39:03 PM »

I've been looking at load data for different powders. So far I have been sticking to IMR 4198 with 405 grain remington jacketed. I have some 405 grain oregon trail on the way. I have some IMR 4064, 3031, and 4895 on hand and have seen data for those. Anyone seen any data for BL-C (2)? That may not work, but I was just curious. I load alot of 308 but only recently started working up loads for the 45 70.

Cottonwood · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2009, 03:44:51 PM »

Depends if you want mild or wild loads. I used to just duplicate BP loads with Accurate Arms 5744 powder for my loads.

peternap · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2009, 04:43:07 PM »

4198 is hard to beat for hunting loads. For light loads, Trail Boss is king.

knight0334 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2009, 05:14:17 PM »

I've had pretty good luck with IMR4198. But I tend to shoot low level 2 to low level 3 loads.

Ranger J · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:53:26 AM »

My barrel really likes 2400 for trapdoor Jacketed bullets and Trail Boss for OT cast bullets. Re#7 and Varget are good for Marlin level loads. Actually my 45/70 will shoot just about anything I feed it fairly well. It is by far my favorite Handi barrel. It and I are going deer hunting Saturday. Be afraid deer, be very afraid!

RJ

burntmuch · « **Reply #5 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:59:20 AM »

Ive had good luck with RE7 with 300 grain jacketed & 425 grain cast.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:54:57 AM »

Check the Hodgdon site for the BL-C2 info, it's listed there. DP

johnjohn · « **Reply #7 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:16:03 AM »

I use IMR3031 for both th Handi and my trapdoor just be careful not to mix 'em up.

BBF · « **Reply #8 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:09:23 AM »

For cast low velocity you can use Red or Blue Dot as well, even Universal will work.

Swampman · « **Reply #9 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:15:17 AM »

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_9_48/ai_89808647/

40 grains of Varget is a good 405 grain .45-70 load

Lazermule · « **Reply #10 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:42:17 AM »

I've used VV N133 but I am about to try some 4198.

LM

pvtschultz · « **Reply #11 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:10:06 AM »

I too have had good success with IMR 3031 in my Handi. 58 grains under a 300 gr Hornady JHP will produce a nearly ragged hole at 100 yds and is lethal on Wisconsin whitetail deer.

andrewtheelder38 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:08:26 AM »

HOLY SMOKES PRIVATE SCHULTZ!....THAT IS A HOT LOAD!....I AM ONLY USING 52.5 GRAINS OF IMR3031 UNDER THE 300-GRAIN HOLLOWPOINTS AND I FEEL THAT IS FAIRLY POTENT AT 100 YARDS........

Westbound · « **Reply #13 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:01:47 AM »

I load with Varget and RL-7.
My cousin swears by 3031 in his 45-70.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #14 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:13:27 AM »

Quote from: andrewtheelder38 on November 13, 2009, 04:08:26 AM

HOLY SMOKES PRIVATE SCHULTZ!....THAT IS A HOT LOAD!....I AM ONLY USING 52.5 GRAINS OF IMR3031 UNDER THE 300-GRAIN HOLLOWPOINTS AND I FEEL THAT IS FAIRLY POTENT AT 100 YARDS........

It may be a hot load compared to yours, but 59.5gr 3031 under a 300gr Sierra @2021fps is still a trapdoor load according to Hodgdon, levergun loads go to 64gr at 2196fps, still at less than 30kcup, both loads are compressed at 2.525" COL.

Tim

http://hodgdon.com/basic-manual-inquiry.html

Graycg · « **Reply #15 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:35:41 AM »

If you are only trying to slay paper targets, your laser cast bullets with Unique are great to shoot, I use 13 grains under just about any 300-400 grain bullet and they kill the paper every time!

enjoy the 45-70, much more rewarding and fun to reload for than the 308!

regards,
graycg

pvtschultz · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:10:14 PM »

Quote from: andrewtheelder38 on November 13, 2009, 04:08:26 AM

HOLY SMOKES PRIVATE SCHULTZ!....THAT IS A HOT LOAD!....I AM ONLY USING 52.5 GRAINS OF IMR3031 UNDER THE 300-GRAIN HOLLOWPOINTS AND I FEEL THAT IS FAIRLY POTENT AT 100 YARDS........

Yeah, they hurt like hell when sighting in the rifle, but the deer was the only one to notice when I pulled the trigger the last time. The fireball was pretty impressive though in the dim hours of sunset.

mechanic · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:27:16 PM »

I can go mild to wild with Varget. As Swampman stated above, a nice comfortable load is 40gr. under a 405. I won't publish my "hot" load but it will reset a shoulder nicely. I let my brother's shoot that.

Zeke Menuar · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:48:42 PM »

I load with AA2015. It works well in mild to hot loads.

ruppster · « **Reply #19 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:28:54 PM »

I have good luck with 4064 under the 300gr Sierra HP's around 1900fps. They seem to shoot well out to 200 yds, 300 requires a little holdover, pretty mild recoil.
I just loaded some H4198 under the 300s this morning. They should go about 2300 fps & have a little more kick.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 15, 2009, 04:17:14 PM »

Varget for 400 gr range loads is good. H322 for 500-550 gr loads.

WILD_WEASEL · « **Reply #21 on:** November 15, 2009, 06:47:03 PM »

I’ve used IMR3031 for 405gr jacketed bullets and Accurate 5744 with 400gr cast bullets for years, using loads recommended by Mike Venturino. If I ever start casting my own 45/70 bullets I’d start experimenting with Unique and 2400, using data from a 50s era Lyman Cast Bullet Reloading Manual as a guide.

Cheers,
W-W

coues2506 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 16, 2009, 03:33:51 AM »

I had a lot of H4831 to get rid of - found a load of 53gr under a 405 in the laser cast manual. Works great 1350fps. Trapdoor level load. Works with a 405 Remington bullet too. Accuracy was almost as good as my best loads. I've seen loads for 45-70 for just about every powder made.

xhare · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2009, 07:37:07 AM »

My Handi 45-70 loves Re-7, H4198, but I have burned more H-322 in it than the others over the years. Very accruate in stout loads.