A Rifle Anyone Can Build.....Gun project book, easy,rewarding project

[jerry4570]

If you've ever wanted to build your own rifle, check out this book currently available on cd, but soon to be in print. Build a Remington model 6 with tools you already have. http://buildurownrifle.com/

[Flash]

But you need a manufacturers license with tons of liability insurance, otherwise you're committing a felony for building a destructive device without a license. I'd rather buy my rifles and not have the ATF breathing down my neck.

[Victor3]

 You can build rifles for personal use with no restrictions.

[mechanic]

It was my understanding that Flash is correct.  Perhaps I am mistaken?  I'll check ATF rules again.

[Badnews Bob]

If it is for personal use only and not built to be sold you can build anything that it is legal to own, As in you can build a bolt gun but not a machine gun. Full auto is still verboten. So are really short shotguns.

[GRIMJIM]

That's very interesting, but I would like a little bigger caliber I think. If you could make it in 44 mag I'd be all over it.

[Reverend Recoil]

It looks like a rim fire version of the Reminington rolling block. 

[rex6666]

It looks like a rim fire version of the Reminington rolling block. 

  you win the prize, that is exactly what they said it was.

[JonD.]

As long as you don't sell it, you can make and own anything you want.(not a full auto)

[mechanic]

One thing I wonder about.  In Ga. if you are caught with a gun without a serial # you're in heap big trouble.  What happens with this?

[Badnews Bob]

One thing I wonder about.  In Ga. if you are caught with a gun without a serial # you're in heap big trouble.  What happens with this?

If it was built before 1964 it dose not have to have a serial number, If you build it yourself no numbers are required. As far as I know that's Federal law and states really can't do anything about it.  But I have been wrong before.

[gunnut69]

I believe one must file a form notifying ATF of the project and what it's serial number is to be. Of course it can be anything you wish..

[Airsporter]

One thing I wonder about.  In Ga. if you are caught with a gun without a serial # you're in heap big trouble.  What happens with this?

So, buy a simple metal stamping kit and put a # on it - as in #001.

[Brithunter]

Now don't forget the letter so you can stamp it;-

MYOBB 001

(Mine Your Own Bloody Business 001) 

[jlwilliams]

But you need a manufacturers license with tons of liability insurance, otherwise you're committing a felony for building a destructive device without a license. I'd rather buy my rifles and not have the ATF breathing down my neck.

  Please don't confuse people by claiming to know something you don't know.  I'm sorry if this comes off as a personal attack, but you are spouting nonsense.

  You need a license to engage in the business of selling or making guns for sale.  You don't need a license to make your own personal private posessions.  You can make a gun for yourself as long as you are not prohibited from owning a gun and as long as the gun you make is not prohibited (no full auto, no short barrels on shoulder stocked guns or silencers without filing a form 1 first)  You can make your own rifle, pistol or shotgun.  The term "destructive device" has specific meaning in the context of firearms law, and you can't make one of them without filing a form 1 first.  A 22 rolling block is not a "destructive device"  A mortar or a grenade is a "destructive device"

  I get a little annoyed at the "you need a license to do THAT" line being thrown out when it's not true.

[gunnut69]

Let's keep this civil.. The man was correct if the purpose was to build for sale. That wasn't clear anywhere and so the info was not purely correct but I strongly suggest you avoid getting angry over such trivial error. The 'destructive device' term was misused and an explanation was appreciated.. The rifle they are considering is not a roling block but rather a hinged block much like the Crackshots and other such Stevens guns. The rolling block differs in the action of the block itself.. In either case the gun is copied after the M6 Remington. This rifle was a very cheaply made gun and all I've seen over the years were worn out.. There was an improved action but it was a stretch of the word to call it improved. If I were copying a single shot rifle it would not be a M6 Remington.

[oldandslow]

Gunnut69, I agree about not coping the #6 or any other gun with the same basic design.

Frank De Hass wrote a couple of books about single shot rifles with very clear action drawings. There are several that could be made about as easily as the one mentioned and be much better rifles.

[jerry4570]

I'm the author, I agree that there are many better designs but I chose this one due to its simplicity in reproducing without machine tools, in fact thats the whole idea of the book, a project for anyone with a little mechanical ability.

[jlwilliams]

  Sorry that I over reacted.  My reaction was really toward all the similar statements I've heard and it's not fair of me to jump down Flash's throat for all that.  The amount of misinformation is overwealming and every time it's repeated, another interested person is discouraged.

  I ordered the book from Amazon.  While I have to agree that the action in question may not be on the level of the action in Mueller's falling block book or of the Chicopee or the Vault Lock in DeHass's book, this is certainly a book worth having in the library.  I may even do the project.  The idea of an 'entry level' scratch build is great.  Just because it's not capable of being built in 45-70 doesn't make it worthless.  On the contrary, I think that a little gun that a student could reasonably complete and safely hunt small game with could really shape the life of someone who chooses to take on the project.  Building a #6 copy would be an excellent place to get the confidence to tackle the Mueller falling block, which is a project that intimidates lots of people before they do it.

[torpedoman]

Here are the real rules; You can build a firearm for yourself if you have no intention of selling it. It is SUGGESTED that you put a serial number on it but not mandatory. Yes you can sell it if you change your mind or your kids inherit it and want to sell it it is legal. The idea is that it was built with no intention of selling at that time. The AFT will probably have some questions if you happen to change your mind too often. Really researched this a couple of years ago and talked to the ATF about it.

[mechanic]

Here is a link with some batfe rules........

http://www.gunreports.com/special_reports/long_guns/BATFE-Rules-For-Manufacturing-Under-Gun-Control-Act725-1.html

[jlwilliams]

Great link.  Here's one to the ATF's frequently asked questions page

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/

  A quick scan didn't show me this exact situation, but it's still a link worth book marking.  You never know when you may have a question and you really need solid information.

[Cornbelt]

Trinidad State Junior College had a class called "Bench Metals"; all about using hand tools at the workbench to get students accustomed to using hand tools accurately. They actually built these. I didn't take that class, but took a stock-making class where another student was stocking one (as well as a '98 Mauser). I couldn't tell it from my own #6 Remington! He opted for .32 S&W short, a reasonable caliber for the design. The only part he bought was a 2nd-hand barrel. Only power tool was a drill. They made the springs and even the chamber reamers, if I remember correctly.
    A couple years later, that student was one of the instructors. Bet he still has it in the family.

[Tommyt]

This is was a Great Idea and book too bad you folks can't stay on subject and Look here I am following


Very Nice Book good Idea Maybe I'l try this with my Grandson
Thanks for posting

Tommyt

[gunnut69]

I certainly did not mean to impune the books value or it's author but mearely to state that the laminated technique for SS construction could build many different actions styles and the  #6 would not be my choice. The #6 was built by Reminton as a very entry level rifle and therefore made with relatively poor materials and construction. This was commonplace at the time. These were also not made at a time of 'high velocity' 22 long rifles.. and the added strain on them when they were introduced was not kind to them at all.. A modified version of the #4 Remington rolling block made with a re-enforcing abutment to strengthen the blocks retention and of modern materials would handle more intense cartridges and the 22LR for a much extended time. It would be a bit more difficult but should not be greatly so.. Good luch with the book.. And by the way I thought for the most part we stayed on track, while covering many important aspects. Tahnks for a really interesting thread!!

[jerry4570]

I welcome the criticism of the design, I did a lot to refine it because it did have its faults. The early original example I have had the barrel retaining threads worn out from repeated removal, so I dovetailed the underside of the barrel and added a threaded insert. I kind of like the flat spring in the breech block, it allows the block to remain open without manipulation. The model 6 "improved" is more complicated but still should have been stronger with larger pivot pins. thanks to everyone that has inquired.
http://buildurownrifle.com/

[spooked]

I have misgivings about a .22 rimfire being a strain on any action out there, as when i was a kid we had this old .22 barrel(no action at all) that we fired by smacking the rim with dad's clawhammer..one of the things we never told dad about!!

[SHOOTALL]

Build an AR if you like its simple really and only a few tools needed . You can buy all parts needed . Same for a 50 cal. find  the lower reciver there are tons of them on the market and buy it like any gun and you are legal.

[jlwilliams]

  I got my copy of the book a couple weeks ago.  Not bad.  It is as the author describes it.  If you have the inclination you can build a simple gun.  The illustrations leave a little to the imagination, but not so much so that you can't figure it out.  Also, a larger format would make it clearer (probably more expensive too).  It's definitely worth the cheap price he's selling it for if you have any interest at all in the subject.  I have some experience at this sort of thing, so I can't say for sure that anyone else could build it based solely on this book, but it seems to me that this is a doable project for anyone with a hand for tools.

  I have started a build based on the book.  I have decided to make it a little more dificult than the way it's done in the book because some of the things done to simplify it are things I want and can do.  I see that eliminating the ejector and the flat spring that makes the block stay opened or closed (as oposed to sprung closed and hold open by hand to load) makes the build simpler, but those are things I know I can do.  Also using steel in places where he used aluminum because I have the steel on hand. 

 I read the book at home, then started the project a few days later without the book on hand.  The system is simple enough that I just started cutting cardboard from memory.  Made a few trial and error templates untill I was satisfied that it looked right and transfered them to steel.  So far, so good.

   Not sure how long it will take me doing it a little here and there as time allows, but I'll let you know how it goes. 

[Cornbelt]

  I've started one as well, but bought the $5 download anyhow. Since I had one to go from, I spent quite a bit of time making machine drawings   -only to cut out the paper and glue it to the steel. Makes it a lot simpler. I've got a spare .22 bbl, but I'm thinking a .25 would be nifty. Might have to make a bbl for it though. I know I know, .25 ain't practical, but if I'm gonna teach some little pup to shoot, I might as well teach him to reload.
  Coldroll steel is cheap, wood is cheap; I have more in dies and a mold than the gun will cost, but it'll make cheap reloads too.  Makes me wish I was a kid again... or a young one, anyhow.