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Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« on: March 23, 2010, 02:52:25 PM »
I made another range trip today 10:30-2:30, took 3 rifles and the chrony this time. I was a bit disappointed in the velocity of of Berger 130gr  VLD, certainly can't complain about the accuracy tho! If you remember from my last report, I shot some two shot groups to expedite the load work and not heat the barrel too much since I only had one rifle to shoot and get bored waiting for it to cool, so I had some single loads that I hadn't shot, so I ran them thru the chrony, here's the 100yd group I got with one shot each at 39gr, 39.5gr and 40gr!




The best accuracy I got at the last range session was with 41.5gr, a 3-shot group that measured right at ½", judging from the velocity of the 42gr load I shot today which averaged 2502fps, the 41½gr load must have run about 2460fps or so which is considerably less than I expected.  ??? I shot the remainder of my loads even tho the primers were getting a little flat, but they weren't extracting hard, accuracy diminished with the heavier loads tho. I also shot a few more of the 120gr TTSX in the 260, but they shot all over the place, you'll see one of the holes in the 270 Ackley target, velocities varied by as much a 100fps!! ::)





It's been a while since I worked on the 270 Ackley, that's the 24" fluted bull barrel 270win that I bought a couple years ago from Mac, when I finally got around to getting ready to shoot it, I learned the barrel wasn't fitted properly and had a gap at the top of the chamber, so I worked it down until it fit good, but in doing so, I ended up with negative headspace. With the only option being to modify a die so I could push the shoulder back further or rechamber it, I chose to rent a 270 Improved reamer and rechambered it myself. The rechamber job went fine and I ended up with a true 270 Ackley that will shoot factory 270 Ammo. But the first range trip was a disappointment, huge pattern at 130yds, barely on the paper. Slugging the bore revealed a .2795" groove diameter! :o I researched bullets and learned I can have a .280" sizing die made to resize jacketed bullets, but chose to try .284" bullets in it first. Actually, .284" bullets measure .2835" if you want to get technical, at least those I've measured, 120gr Nosler BT and 130gr Speer BTSP, having a short shank both measure at that spec and were my chosen test bullets.

Knowing that many shoot .311" bullets in their .308" bores, I figured it wouldn't be much different than shooting .2835" bullets in the .2795" bore, and I learned today it isn't a problem.  ;D They shoot fine, the problem was the neck in the 270Win chamber is a bit small to chamber a 7mm bullet, so I had to neck turn the brass to allow it, not much, just .001" believe it or not, the 270 chamber was very generous in the neck. Unless I ream the throat, I also have to load to a shorter COL. A neat thing I learned was Nosler 280 Ackley brass can be resized to work fine in the 270 Ackley chamber, so no fire forming is necessary!! :D Here's the results, not perfect, but acceptable:






The 35 Whelen Improved likes the 200gr TSX, as I've experienced before with the TSX, the faster it's pushed the better they shoot and it was no different with the Whelen.

Tim





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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 03:08:43 PM »
Thanks for the report Tim.
The Whelen is really smoking and stacking them together, it's ready to make meat!
Sounds like you had a great day!

GOOD SHOOTING!
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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 03:21:31 PM »
Tim:

Is that one of those old English pennies?......................4 inch diameter? ;)

Mc ;)

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 03:25:38 PM »
I wish I had a 4" penny to use on the 120gr TTSX targets, sure glad I went with the Berger instead!! May have to try a different powder with em.

thanks,

Tim
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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 05:10:35 PM »
Looks like the 270 is coming along nicely Tim..I wonder...since you went 270 Ackley with it if it would be better to go ahead and run a 280 Ackley reamer on in re-stamp it and shoot it that way..That way you can still use the factory brass with out having to shorten the case and turn the necks on it...No telling how long the rifling will last but..accuracy and velocity are pretty impressive to say the least..

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 05:17:48 PM »
That's a thought, but it would have to be throated first, the pilot of the 280 Imp reamer wouldn't fit in the bore the way it is now. The 280 Impr is also quite a bit longer to the shoulder, dunno if I'd want to try that by hand.

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2010, 05:23:24 PM »
That's a thought, but it would have to be throated first, the pilot of the 280 Imp reamer wouldn't fit in the bore the way it is now. The 280 Impr is also quite a bit longer to the shoulder, dunno if I'd want to try that by hand.

Tim

Sounds like another job for Wayne?  ;)

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2010, 05:23:59 PM »
Those Whelan improved are impressive arn't they ;D

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2010, 05:40:28 PM »
Sounds like another job for Wayne?  ;)

Mac

Naw, I already have a 280 Impr, this one will work the way it is without spending more money on it.

Concerning the neck turning, I bought a Forster hand turner from Midsouth, it's got a nice wide carbide cutter that cuts a really nice neck, unlike others that use a hardened screw which cuts a furrow!! Instead of turning it by hand, I chuck the case up in a Lee lock stud in a cordless drill and it cuts fast and easy, it's actually fun, kinda like a micro lathe!!! The micro adjustment of the Forster allows depth adjustments of less than .001".

I also bought one of the new Hornady Concentricity tools, that is one slick machine, not only measures runout, but removes it too!! I ran the Remington ammo thru it, most had .0015-.003" runout, but one round had .006"!!

Those Whelan improved are impressive arn't they ;D

Definitely, I still have some room to grow on the load, primers are still looking good at 65gr RL15, I think I should be able to go 2-3grs more, I'm loading them long at 3.330" which is the recommended .050" off the lands.

Tim

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 05:48:03 PM »
I have not found the load ceiling in mine yet. I use H4895 and 4064 and have a bolt mauser. I loaded til I got good accuracy and velocity and stopped there. I am extremely happy with the load. It sure likes it when an Elk gets in the way :)

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2010, 07:58:25 AM »
I slugged the bore of the 260 which is looking great, .264" grrove and .254" lands, fired case capacity of Nosler brass is 55.5gr water, Rem is 57gr, did some more research on short barreled 260 Rems, found this data for the model 7, looks like IMR4320 in Rem brass is the powder to use and I just happen to have a bottle, so that's what I'll be testing next, only with the Berger 130gr VLD instead of the 129gr SST used in the data. He uses CCI250 primers which I also have, so I had to test them to make sure they'd go bang and they're good to go, wifey wasn't too happy with the noise in the basement tho!   :o ::) ;D

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2010, 09:30:54 AM »
I slugged the bore of the 260 which is looking great, .264" grrove and .254" lands, fired case capacity of Nosler brass is 55.5gr water, Rem is 57gr, did some more research on short barreled 260 Rems, found this data for the model 7, looks like IMR4320 in Rem brass is the powder to use and I just happen to have a bottle, so that's what I'll be testing next, only with the Berger 130gr VLD instead of the 129gr SST used in the data. He uses CCI250 primers which I also have, so I had to test them to make sure they'd go bang and they're good to go, wifey wasn't too happy with the noise in the basement tho!   :o ::) ;D

Tim

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That's funny about the wife..I know what mine said to me a few times... ;)

Looking forward to what you get with the new combinations...and hopes it meets your expectations for it..

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2010, 09:35:53 AM »
I'll be happy with 2750fps compared to the 2540fps I got with H4350, even the 140gr Rem factory loads ran 2580fps!

Tim
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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2010, 09:38:14 AM »
I'll be happy with 2750fps compared to the 2540fps I got with H4350, even the 140gr Rem factory loads ran 2580fps!

Tim

I don't blame you there at all..You think you might have gotten a funky lot of 4350 ?

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2010, 10:03:32 AM »
No, I think it's just too slow burning for the 20" barrel, IMR4320 is faster burning by a good amount, QL says a max load is 99.98% burned in the short barrel. IMR4320 is #182 on this burn rate chart compared to #203 for H4350, the model 7 data certainly supports that, I may try Varget or IMR4064 next, they get 100% efficiency burn in QL.

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2010, 06:52:52 AM »
Made my weekly trip to Wholesale Sports yesterday in search of turkey ammo, they had a bunch of new powder in stock, one of which is RL17 which I've been looking for, plan on trying it in the 260, looking forward to giving it a shot along with the IMR4320 loads, all I need now is a dry day, tomorrow is the next one, unfortunately the range is closed to the public, cops are using it all day. :-\

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http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/alliant-releases-new-reloder-17-powder/

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 07:01:31 AM »
Good Luck. I hope you get those flying 6.5's under control!!!
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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2010, 06:04:14 AM »
I was reading somewhere that the Improved chambers benefit from longer barrels. Is your 35 Whelen a 22" barrel? Seems very fast for a 200 grain bullet.

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Re: Range Report: 260 Rem, 270 Ackley and 35 Whelen Improved
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2010, 06:09:33 AM »
Yes, it's a 22", I also have a 26" RMEF Ultra Whelen that shoots the 225gr TSX at 2895fps, I thought my 35W Impr was kinda slow because Mattparliament got 2815fps with the 225gr TSX in his 22" 35 Whelen.

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