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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2011, 05:05:07 PM »
So whats your recomendation for jump shooting deer in the thickets, Swampy?  ;)
 
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2011, 08:22:39 PM »
First deer I ever killed was because I shot at it running. After the first two shots she stopped to see what all the racket was about and was kind enough to let me get a third shot off :D . That was about 40 deer ago and I've never taken a shot at a running deer again and probably won't.

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2011, 04:13:19 AM »
Well I know our hunting is a bit different to the American considered norm  ::)  although my experience of it back in 2003 in Missouri apart for the species being hunted it was really no different to hunting here. The scope chosen for my US foray was a Schmidt & Bender 6x42 and it did not handicap me in any way. Of the three deer shot on that trip one was about 80 yards the other a lot less and the closest was about 50 feet.


Yes I some variable scopes but as others have indicated they normally stay on 6x. I also have 7x50, a 7.5x56 and 8x56 scopes along with some lower mag scopes such as 4x35, 4x35, 4x40 3x22 (3x Bushnell Scope Chief and K3W) however 6x42 is the mainstay scope in use.


In the UK summer sees the Roe Buck season and they like woods and crop cover, I tried using a Leupold M8 4x compact once for this but the light transmission was too poor in a mature broadleaf woodland down in Sussex in which we were stalking. My next outing there the rifle was wearing a 6x42 scope ................................ problem solved. Unlike the US here in the UK deer hunting takes place all year round barring Christmas day and some or our quarry deer are tiny compared to your Whitetails and Blacktails.





That is fairly typical roe habitat



4 point Roe Buck in moult. Taken 21st May 2005 he probably weighs about 45 lbs.



Mature 6 point Roe Buck taken in April 2010 and for those eagle eyed that particular BSA Majestic Featherweight rifle has a Lisenfeld 3-9x42 on it set ................................... yep you guessed it on 6x  ;) .


Sorry to say that Picturetrail is down right now or I would post a couple of photos of Muntjac deer whcih are nearly half the size of those Roe Bucks. Munties love thick cover yet can be caught in more open ground on occasion take a look at this:-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1auBvQJk-kE


It's a web UK Fieldsports programme and shows some Muntjac amongst other things and no I have no connection to it.

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2011, 08:32:21 AM »
live up here and you learn to jump shoot deer or you go home without venison. Half the deer ive shot in deer season have been shot walking through the swamp or during deer drives. Never shooting at a running deer might work in montana or wyoming but it doesnt in nothern michigan.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2011, 10:22:48 AM »
My 1.089 cents worth.
Never had a 6 X fixed but did have an old 8X Weaver with a huge exit lens on a Rem 788 in 223 Rem. I liked it and it gave good service. At present there is a US made  Weaver K 1.5 and a K 3 on my rifles.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2011, 11:23:38 AM »
original intent of this thread was to get recommendations of different 6x scopes. not to debate hunting styles or pound chests. buddy didn't even say it was for deer hunting in woods. how does it get so judgemental? nobody would ever dream to drag a 6x scope discussion into a deer drive discussion would they?
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2011, 11:38:48 AM »
didnt think it was a swampy bashing thread either but it went that way. Its pastorps post and i think if he didnt like something about the way its going he should be the one to complain. Best go back and check your own posts as there wasnt to much of a constructive answer to the original post in any of them either. 
original intent of this thread was to get recommendations of different 6x scopes. not to debate hunting styles or pound chests. buddy didn't even say it was for deer hunting in woods. how does it get so judgemental? nobody would ever dream to drag a 6x scope discussion into a deer drive discussion would they?
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2011, 02:02:20 PM »
 ;)  When we talk about the use for a 6x and finding a quality one, the more info. a guy can gather from experience the better off he would be...hunting conditions and methods have much to do with the discussion..When I was young by about 50 years or so...scopes were pretty rare in the deer woods...a few guys had them, but very few...the ones that owned them were generally Weaver models..2.5 or 4.. and friend had a 2.5 -5 I believe...The riflemen of the area were the forerunners of the scope buyers...Some of these guys did opt for a 6x, but only because they were moving to a different style of hunting...instead of driving or watching from a ground stand in the timber, they were hunting clearcuts, fields or other open areas...I saw a rifle typical of that area last spring in a local gunshop...it had a Bearcub 6x with a dot on an old mauser rebarrelled to 7x61 Sharpe and Hart..high monte carlo stock and nice checking rounded out the out fit...had the guy brought in the dies and brass, I would have brought it home..but this use of the 6x did not last long...as soon as more powerful scopes in hunting models came along guys opted for them for varmiting, and the variables for deer hunting...6x scopes today are not plentiful due to things mentioned earlier...they are a bit much for woods hunting and lack power for long range shooting...I would guess the Leupold 6x would be the best buy of those still on the market if a guy were determined to own one..I have two, and would gladly trade either for a 2-7 Leupold, but that is unlikely to happen...

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2011, 04:30:10 PM »
right buy the scope you want/fits your style. no intent to offend lloyd but he seems to be frustrated about opposing opinions. and swampy bashing? we all love swampy.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2011, 05:55:31 PM »
All,
 
I find it interesting how these threads take on a life of their own.. :)  It always amazes me how I think I said something but the coments indicate others took my question differently than I intended it. Sometime I even question if posters even read the orgional post or just jumped in posting to someones elses post.
 
Since I do quite a bit of public apeaking, I know the challenges of comunication. Usually I view these threads as a exercise in communication, however futile it may seem. Many times I read a text or make a comment from the pulpit and later when someone tells me what I said, think to myself How did they get that out of my statement. 351s comments are a case in point.
 
Swampys always just stirring the pot, so you can't take his comments seriousely.
 
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2011, 09:08:10 PM »
I'll have to admit that I just followed the progression of the posts and didn't have anything useful to say about the original post, although I did read it from the beginning, I tend to respond to the immediate subject and not so much the origin.
 I have always used variable power scopes, 2x7s and 3x9s. I usually leave them on 5x and adjust accordingly. Most of my hunting is in open hardwoods and I like the ability to zoom in or out as I see fit. I don't think I could stand using a fixed power scope cause there would be that one time that I would wish it be a different power. To me, using a fixed power makes about as much sense  driving a car that will do 40mph no matter what.
  Deer I shot last year with a rifle was with my BP, 80yrds on 9x. 13 year old son shot his at 120yrds on 5x. Whatever works for you.

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2011, 12:35:03 AM »
Well it's really surprising the different ideas in the US to Europe and the UK. On another forum, UK based, there was such a discussion and in it I noticed those who were pushing the variable were the vermin shooters. Vermin in the UK usually means our Red Fox and that is usually done with lamps at night their being mainly nocturnal. Those who were  more into deer stalking were the ones who voiced their choice of fixed power scopes and one of the ones most commonly put forward to dual use of deer/fox was the various 8x50's and 8x56's.


The general advice given to those starting out or looking for a scope upgrade (if they were lured into buying a mediocre scope make) for deer stalking including woodland stalking is to get a Schmidt & Bender, Zeiss, Swaroski, Khales, Doctor or Meopta scope of 6x42.



Sadly due to the volume sales in the US more European makers are concentrating upon large variables and neglecting the UK customer  :'(  but with a good fixed magnification scope one spends more time shooting and less time playing with adjustments.


  I have brought and tried many types of scopes to try out their features. Beign on a very low fixed budget it's been hard and more often than not means having to buy used. I have tried the Mil dot reticle and cannot see what all the fuss is about for normal hunting  ::) . have tried two scopes with it one a budget scope from a pretty poor maker................. Hawke which I would not avoid like the plauge............................. yep that good. The other is a 7.5x56 CSS fixed mag scope with side parallax. On another note I have come to the conclusion that this side parallax feature is a sop to get around the fact that their using inferior lenses  :(  as the Meopta 7x50 does not need it but of course they have good glass fitted.


Now one thing that really does stand out in all this is that not many here in the UK will you find using Leupold fixed mag scopes for deer stalking. you might find a few who have Leupold variables but they do tend to be newcomers to the sport. The Leupold's simply lack the light transmission and unless one orders the European model the reticles are too fine for first and last light shooting.


Comparing a Leupold 6x40 against a Swaroski, Zeiss, Doctor,Schmidt & Bender, Khales or Meopta 6x42 is in most cases a revelation to those who have never used  a top European scope before and yes I do have a couple of Leupold scopes and not their base models either although they are few decades old now being a 2.3-8 vari X 111 and the afore mentioned M8 compact 4x. The vari X 111 came on a used rifle and I brought the M8 used from the local gunshop. It does fine a .22 rimfire.


However finding new decent 6x42's is getting harder and of course I cannot afford them new  :-[


Oh yes the old sage advice still stands......................... spend the majority of your budget on a good scope and the change on the rifle. You cannot hit what you cannot see.

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2011, 02:46:00 AM »
 another educational on topic post. ;)   Im sure it will help him decide which scope to get. 
right buy the scope you want/fits your style. no intent to offend lloyd but he seems to be frustrated about opposing opinions. and swampy bashing? we all love swampy.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2011, 05:31:38 AM »
Ah, Brit. You bring out a interesting point as to the diference in viewpoints between my side of the pond & yours. And your comment concerning the retucles and shooting light interestes me too. What retucle do you use for twilight hunting.
 
To me the advantage of the fixed 6x scope is the sight picture is constant, and i'm not fiddling with adjustments when I should be paying attention to how the game is reacting to my presence.  ;) 
 
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2011, 05:48:00 AM »
Depending on what or where I hunt with the Vari Scope, I set it to whatever X is appropriate for the condition and don't fiddle with it again for that day.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2011, 06:43:30 AM »
Pastorp and Scatterbrain,
 
You wrote:Re: Fixed 6X riflescope« Reply #43 on: Today at 09:31:38 AM »Ah, Brit. You bring out a interesting point as to the diference in viewpoints between my side of the pond & yours. And your comment concerning the retucles and shooting light interestes me too. What retucle do you use for twilight hunting.
 
To me the advantage of the fixed 6x scope is the sight picture is constant, and i'm not fiddling with adjustments when I should be paying attention to how the game is reacting to my presence.  ;) 
 
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I'm with Brithunter, in that I prefer a simpler approach to scopes.   My preferred reticule is the heavy post with a horizonal crosshair for low light conditions.  I have these with straight 3X, 4X and 6X scopes.  You simply set the target on top of the post and you have a better sight picture than with anyother reticule.

If I were a night hunter I would have one of those big European made 6X56 scopes with a heavy post and crosshair even though they cost over a grand for some.   Almost every deer I have killed could have been killed with a 6X scope here in the NC mountains and foothills and in northern Maine.
 I have to be really sure of any moving target in the woods due to the fools who trespass and walk around on private posted hunting lands here.   I have cousins who are foolish enough to organize deer drives and trespass on others property without permission, the drivers are very much in danger in this situation from each other and from the ones who position themselves in front of the drive and shoot at running deer.
 
 
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2011, 03:07:25 PM »
Sorry have been busy most of the day ...................................  now to answer a question. I prefer the No7 or no 8 reticles as shown on the S&B chart:-


http://www.schmidtbender.com/reticlesstandard.htm


Although as I have to buy used I also have scopes with No1 reticle which is seems is only available from S&B in variable scopes now. That's the reticle the classic German Sniper (Tri post) that the Khales 4L2 has along with the Zeiss Jena ZF4 and ZF6. As for leupold scopes perhaps it helps to understand that here int eh Uk they cost almost the same as a Schmidt & Bender or Swaroski:-


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 and that's the sale price  :o  and one of their cheaper offerings. Now if you had the choice for the same money of S&B, Zeiss, Swaroski, Doctor of Leupold which would you really go for.


I know the die hards will still plumb for Leupold and a lot of those have never used one of the other scopes but in all honesty which would it be.


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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2011, 03:52:06 AM »
I hunt big game and I see no need for a fixed power scope.  They offer nothing over a variable and they cost the same.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2011, 10:21:13 AM »
In poor light the type of recticle is more important then the magnification. I could live with a fixed 6X as long as the hairs are large enough. For Instance to me a picket post terminating in a cone/point would not be desireable.   I like # 8 and 9.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2011, 11:17:17 AM »
My most used fixed power scopes three of them are like:
As Brithunter posted,
Schmidt & Bender's No. 2  a heavy post with a horizonal cross hair.
Since my longest shots are in the 300 yard range the heavy post with a 6X power is just fine on varmints for .270 Winchester including a new pest coyotes in this area.
On deer in our mountain forests my 3X or 4X fixed powers with the heavy posts are just fine where you can seldom see over 100 yards at best.
Swampman, I seldom buy scopes at retail, shop the gunshows to find deals.  Have yet to buy a bad one out of a dozen or so.
 
 
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2011, 12:50:14 PM »
 :)  Parkergs, Seldom anymore do I see a scope with a flattop post in it...I have one on my .45-70...at one time they were quite popular...but on the used market, they seem to have dried up, and new they are difficult to find..I am not sure if Leupold even offeres one any more..When i was young about 50 years ago, many of the older hunters who were going to scopes for the first time in their lives, bought the post..one older friend had a 6x Lyman I believe with a post on him model 88 243..It was his deer and turkey rifle....

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2011, 12:53:43 PM »
always bought variables. tried a weaver 6x. i realized that i always hunted with 3x and shot at the range with 9x. so range time was not really much use as hunt training. now i always have the same sight picture.
this is my main point why i like the 6x. guess my communication skills aren't that great to get it across.


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To me the advantage of the fixed 6x scope is the sight picture is constant, and i'm not fiddling with adjustments when I should be paying attention to how the game is reacting to my presence.  ;) 


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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2011, 06:26:04 PM »
     The aplication of a 6 power scope has to fit the hunting situation. Nobody would want a charging griz at 10 yrds as a brown blur in there high power 6 to 18 varmit scope same as if I'm hunting ground hogs at 300 to 400 yards would I want a 1 1/2 to 4. The six has its place I own two one on a 270,leupold 6, one on a 22 mag,weaver 6 Both are excellent scopes, make sure they fit the aplication your useing them for.
 
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2011, 11:51:48 AM »
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2011, 05:42:18 AM »
Here is my recommendation: http://www.eurooptic.com/meopta-6x42-artemis-riflescopes.aspx

Meopta scopes are competitive in price with Leupold and are much higher quality IMO.  For $300, there isn't a fixed power Leupold made that can touch the Meopta in quality, performance, or price.  I have a 1.5-6x42 Meopta variable on my .375 H&H and absolutely love it.

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2011, 05:37:45 AM »
benchracer,
 
I think your post hit the nail on the head....especially with cameralands Meopta sale going on this week. Thanks
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2011, 05:49:55 AM »
Benchracer,
The Meopta 6x42 with the number 4 reticule should be an excellent choice for hunting in the early mornings and late evenings when deer move the most.
This is the most helpful pointer so far.
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2011, 05:51:38 PM »
I wasn't aware of the cameraland sale, but I have gotten some very good deals from Doug in the past.   I am glad that that I could be of help.

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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2011, 11:54:23 PM »
You'd be better off with a 2-7X33 Leupold.
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Re: Fixed 6X riflescope
« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2011, 05:44:19 AM »
I don't know about that Swampy, Many years ago, in another life I hunted with a beautiful Sako vixen with a steel tube Weaver 6x on it with the fine crosshaies. I managed to kill a lot of hogs with that gun, night hunting with my headlights.  :o  I will agree the leupolds are good scopes but even there I prefer a fixed power scope.  ;)  I just mounted a old long tube, leupold 3x on my brno 611, yesterday afternoon.
 
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