Author Topic: 499 Hubel Express....Range Report!!! (Read 9725 times)

quickdtoo · « **on:** February 07, 2012, 12:19:52 PM »

I've been waitin for miyata to post a range report on his 499HE for a long time, so long I forgot all about it until it was mentioned in the Big Bore forum yesterday!

Appears he hasn't been online here since just after he posted about it. $:-\$ Any way, I talked to Ed Hubel this morning, ordered 50-90 dies from TOTW and 450 NE #2 brass from Grafs, when I get the brass and dies, the 500S&W barrel goes along with them to Ed for rechambering and die modifications.

Tim

http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/aicompare.cgi?sn=fDWcQFaFLS&loadset=83&xxglbl=1

cjrjck · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:53:02 PM »

Wow. Are you going to have any barrel left after he reams it out? lol.

bikerbeans · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:10:34 PM »

22" barrel?!?!? Should be a real flamethrower with a nice slow powder.

~~Tim, my new laptop isn't getting along with ammoguide, can you post a .499 cartridge drawing?~~
Answered my own question;
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,206882.0.html

BB

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:26:24 PM »

Just the specs from AG, it's 3.560" long with a .577" case head, Ed's data runs to 30kpsi which is pressure tested, he used a 32" barrel he made for an SB2 shotgun frame, 22" velocities will be less than what he lists on AG, 500gr @2400fps. He provides data which I'll use the fastest powder listed, if it doesn't work, I'll work my own load up for the 22" barrel using QL predictions once I know what the case volume is. I'll probably sticky with the 385gr Remington CL bonded if I ever hunt with it, but I have a bunch of jacketed .500" bullets that a custom mfr sent me for testing that I've never shot, he's no longer in business.

Tim

dave29 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:27:37 PM »

Holy!

Crap!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:31:51 PM »

Here's a pic of a round someone tried selling on Auction Arms, it's listed as 4.55", but I think that's with a different bullet than shown, Ed's loads are listed with 160gr powder with a 300gr bullet.

Tim

SPECIFICATIONS

Bullet Diameter:
.500 in.

Case Capacity (est):
152.5 gr. water

NOMINAL PERFORMANCE

Bullet Weight:
500 gr

Muzzle Velocity:
2400 fps

Muzzle Energy:
6398 ft-lbs

cowboyup453 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2012, 03:49:40 PM »

Quote from: dave29 on February 07, 2012, 01:27:37 PM

Holy!

Crap!

+++1

$:-\$

keith44 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:09:23 PM »

ya know they call the .458 Lott a nose bleed cartridge, what catagory would you put this one in? Migrane maker? or just painful on both ends?

mauser98us · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:39:11 PM »

Place it in the detached retina catagory!

lol

briarpatch · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:51:32 PM »

Way to go Quicktoo, We will be watching for a range report. I hate to see you as the Gennie pig but if not you then who?

keith44 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2012, 08:19:13 PM »

seriously though what kind of free recoil numbers are ya lookin at with this lil beastie?? and is this something that the SB2 receiver can handle, or is this a lets try and see kind of project?? I'm askin' cause I may want to do something similar, but I am not sure about risking my only SB2 receiver, so I'd need to buy the whole .500 rifle.

bikerbeans · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:51:27 AM »

Quote from: keith44 on February 07, 2012, 08:19:13 PM

and is this something that the SB2 receiver can handle, or is this a lets try and see kind of project?? I'm askin' cause I may want to do something similar, but I am not sure about risking my only SB2 receiver, so I'd need to buy the whole .500 rifle.

Quote from: quickdtoo on February 07, 2012, 01:26:24 PM

Ed's data runs to 30kpsi which is pressure tested,
Tim

Quote from: quickdtoo on February 07, 2012, 12:19:52 PM

I've been waitin for miyata to post a range report on his 499HE for a long time,

I hope the .499HE isn't the reason he has been away from GBO?!?!?

BB

petemi · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2012, 01:28:57 AM »

Tim, I'm usually intrigued by new caliber ideas in the Handis, but not this one. The .45-70 and the .500 are as big as I care to go. I think the hotter .45-70s are about my limit. I don't need to develop a flinch. I am awed by these mammoth slayers and wish you guys good luck, good shooting and good insurance

Pete

AtlLaw · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2012, 03:04:45 AM »

I hate you Tim!

RPRNY · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2012, 03:12:51 AM »

Quote from: keith44 on February 07, 2012, 08:19:13 PM

... and is this something that the SB2 receiver can handle, or is this a lets try and see kind of project??

454 Casull SAAMI pressure is 55k psi, and the 460 S&W is 65k and folks have been using these successfully. If the 499 HE (which is Van Helsing-like in its proportions

) is only running up into the mid 30K range, that's 357 factory ammo range.

briarpatch · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2012, 04:16:12 AM »

Atllaw, I with you. I may have to go look at at 500 s&w handi. Tim dont let moss grow on his shoes.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:51:02 AM »

Quote from: keith44 on February 07, 2012, 08:19:13 PM

seriously though what kind of free recoil numbers are ya lookin at with this lil beastie?? and is this something that the SB2 receiver can handle, or is this a lets try and see kind of project?? I'm askin' cause I may want to do something similar, but I am not sure about risking my only SB2 receiver, so I'd need to buy the whole .500 rifle.

At 30kpsi, estimated ball park breech thrust is 7844lbs which is less than a 45-70 at 40kpsi in a levergun load, for comparison, a 52kpsi load(max hodgdon data) in a factory built H&R 500S&W runs 11386lbs. Recoil is all dependent on bullet weight, powder weight, gun weight and velocity. I ran some QL predictions for the 385gr bullet in a 22" barrel, came up with ~2400fps, in an 8lb gun that's around 90lb/lbs recoil, somewhere between a 458 Lott and 460 Wby Mag in recoil. Bump the rifle weight up to 12lbs and it's 58ft/lbs recoil.

Tim

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:58:33 AM »

Quote from: RPRNY on February 08, 2012, 03:12:51 AM

454 Casull SAAMI pressure is 55k psi, and the 460 S&W is 65k and folks have been using these successfully.

454 Casull SAAMI MAP is 65kpsi, same as the 460S&W.

Tim

http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

keith44 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:59:36 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on February 08, 2012, 05:51:02 AM

Quote from: keith44 on February 07, 2012, 08:19:13 PM
seriously though what kind of free recoil numbers are ya lookin at with this lil beastie?? ...

... I ran some QL predictions for the 385gr bullet in a 22" barrel, came up with ~2400fps, in an 8lb gun that's around 90lb/lbs recoil, somewhere between a 458 Lott and 460 Wby Mag in recoil. Bump the rifle weight up to 12lbs and it's 58ft/lbs recoil.

Tim

Thanks Tim, that'd be about my upper limit for an occasional shooter.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** February 08, 2012, 06:00:10 AM »

Quote from: bikerbeans on February 08, 2012, 12:51:27 AM

I hope the .499HE isn't the reason he has been away from GBO?!?!?

BB

That's crossed my mind too!

Tim

thejanitor · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2012, 06:02:35 AM »

Tim where do you type in the launch codes to fire it? OUCH! thejanitor

quickdtoo · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2012, 06:07:35 AM »

wganzWork · « **Reply #22 on:** February 08, 2012, 08:04:31 AM »

I'd shoot that only with a sane load of FFg of holy black.
Otherwise, I like to keep that $2,800 root canal on that right back molar just where it is.
IMHO, you're playing in a craps game with that dragon called PSI, Dr. Darwin, and Messur. Murphy at those levels.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #23 on:** February 08, 2012, 09:21:17 AM »

Read some of Ed Hubel's work, this isn't his first big bore project, he's been working with the H&R platform for a long time, his projects are chronicled in the 12gaFH discussion here, max pressure for the 499HE is a piezo tested 30kpsi.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,79991.msg574237.html#msg574237

williamlayton · « **Reply #24 on:** February 09, 2012, 06:25:11 AM »

I am thinking the has not been a range report from your friend.
Torn rotator cuff ?
Blessings

quickdtoo · « **Reply #25 on:** February 09, 2012, 12:05:31 PM »

I did a little internet research on miyata, there's a fella in Tasmania that's a member of the SCCA(Sprintcar Control Council of Australia) with the same name as in his email address, he's been active in the SCCA as of last summer, so he was apparently alive and well up til then, I sent him a direct email to get an update.

Tim

bikerbeans · « **Reply #26 on:** February 09, 2012, 01:07:56 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on February 09, 2012, 12:05:31 PM

I did a little internet research on miyata, there's a fella in Tasmania that's a member of the SCCA(Sprintcar Control Council of Australia) with the same name as in his email address, he's been active in the SCCA as of last summer, so he was apparently alive and well up til then, I sent him a direct email to get an update.

Tim

Tim,

IIRC, miyata bore the brunt of a attack, from someone who used to hang out on this forum, for his acquistion of the .499 HE. The poster was sure that the .499HE was instant death.

It would be nice if miyata was back on the forum, he is a very nice fellow.

BB

AtlLaw · « **Reply #27 on:** February 09, 2012, 04:01:22 PM »

I just don't know Tim... $:-\$ the 499 HE may have a certain je ne sais quoi, but no real class!

I'll take the 50-140, a cartridge with some history thank you very much...

quickdtoo · « **Reply #28 on:** February 09, 2012, 05:54:49 PM »

Quote from: bikerbeans on February 09, 2012, 01:07:56 PM

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Tim,

IIRC, miyata bore the brunt of a attack, from someone who used to hang out on this forum, for his acquistion of the .499 HE. The poster was sure that the .499HE was instant death. It would be nice if miyata was back on the forum, he is a very nice fellow.

BB

I think NFG may have been the one you're thinking of, he disappeared for a while because of the same thing.

Tim

quickdtoo · « **Reply #29 on:** February 09, 2012, 05:57:17 PM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on February 09, 2012, 04:01:22 PM

I just don't know Tim... $:-\$ the 499 HE may have a certain je ne sais quoi, but no real class! I'll take the 50-140, a cartridge with some history thank you very much...

I can't get past the $283 die set, so that one's gonna have ta wait cuz it also requires a rebore, so I'll leave the door open on that one for ya'all.

Tim