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Making Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« on: February 27, 2012, 06:18:51 AM »
Recently, I finished building a pair of 1/5 scale and a pair of 1/4 scale number 1 Civil War field artillery wheels. Here are pictures of some of the steps in the building process.




Nave box is put in nave prior to finish turning of nave.


A cleat is attached to the bottom of the nave mortising fixture to elevate the outside face of the nave five degrees.


Angled side of mortises are drilled first.


Cleat is removed and remainder of mortises are finished.


Finished mortises.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012, 06:34:17 AM »

Excess stock is removed from the ends of naves and bands are fitted.


Spoke being tapered on a scroll saw.


Jig to hold spokes for cutting shoulders on foot of spoke.


Shoulders of spokes being cut on router.

 
Five stages of spoke development.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 06:46:35 AM »


Cutting tenons to length.


View of tenon cutting operation.


Wheel ready for felloes.


Cutting the soles of the felloes on a router.


Finishing the belly side of the felloes.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 06:54:00 AM »
Well you have my attention! this is something I have been wanting to do for some time...... you make this look too easy.... great work!
 
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 06:56:24 AM »


Cutting the felloes to length


Drilling the tenon holes.


Keyway cutter and key for joining ends of felloes.


Bending tire on wood former.


Jig used to hold ends of tire in allignment tor welding.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 07:04:05 AM »

Drilling tire bolt holes


Finished wheels.


1/5 scale wheel




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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 07:23:19 AM »
Fantastic work! those are some fine looking wheels.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 07:32:47 AM »


Quarter scale.




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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2012, 09:06:34 AM »
... you make this look too easy ...

It is pretty easy after you have made all of the jigs and fixtures to hold the material for the repetitive operations.  It's making them that takes the real time and thought (and throw in patience there, also.)
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2012, 09:45:52 AM »
Great posts Max!
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2012, 09:54:00 AM »
Max,
Outstanding as usual!
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2012, 10:19:13 AM »
Great post, awesome wheels  8)
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2012, 06:04:11 AM »
Beautiful work!  I suspect that getting all of the jigs made and adjusted is the big chore.  After the the first wheel, they should go quickly.
 
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2012, 06:10:25 AM »
Beautiful work!  I suspect that getting all of the jigs made and adjusted is the big chore.  After the the first wheel, they should go quickly.
 
This needs to be a sticky!

Max has already posted some other great pictures on wheel making.  Look through his older postings.  Some great stuff in there.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 06:55:39 AM »
Deserving of an award!


(I like the Canon lense cap in the pix too - nice touch.)

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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2012, 01:31:49 AM »
Thanks all for the compliments.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2012, 03:48:49 AM »
Nothing much to say, except, you the man, Max! I've got the photos and text saved for future reference; thanks for opening a great topic, and posting fine pics. Is the wood that you used, hickory, or oak?
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2012, 04:59:16 AM »
Beautiful wheels sir, you are an inspiration to me. 
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2012, 06:27:09 AM »
Your talent is stunning!  I can only stand on the shoulders of giants, and buy my wheels.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2012, 01:59:03 PM »
Max,

How many hours do you have into making each wheel, not including jig and fixture construction?

If some one were to set up to make these, what do you think they would have to charge per wheel?


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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2012, 03:06:05 AM »
Max,
How did you cut the tenons to length?  I can't tell from the picture. 
Did you use heat to set the tires and bands or are they just hammered on?
Your jigs are a wonder.  They show marvelous ingenuity.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2012, 05:43:20 AM »
Thanks for the compliments Cannoneer, little seacoast, and JeffG. John, I used rock maple for everything except the 1/4 scale naves which are white oak, which, at the time, I thought was all I had thick enough to make the naves, later I found a chunk of black walnut that I could have used.

Douglas, I worked on those wheels off and on for several weeks and built the jigs and fixtures as I went along so I do not have a good feel for how long it would take to build a wheel straight through from start to finish, maybe a minimum of two days with all equipment in place and operational. Cost? Material cost will run $40+ per wheel or more according to type of wood used - should use quality wood. Since I don't make things for sale I don't have a feel for how much a wheel would cost. I'm pretty sure that they would cost more than most people would be willing to pay. Small scale doesn't necessarily mean easier, quicker or cheaper. Oh, by the way, thanks for the Kewpie, I like that picture too.

Zulu, Pictures 6 and 7 show the shop built tenon cutter in operation. I had to make the cutter since commercial tenon cutters are not available below 3/8 inch. Two opposing tenons are first cut to the exact radius of the inside of the felloes, then the drill press depth stop is locked then the rest of the tenons are cut in turn. The nave bands are pressed on. The tires were heated to a point that I could still handle them with gloves then installed. I made the tires 1/16 inch smaller than the wheel.

The pictures are not meant to show how wheels are made, but to show how I made them. There are several ways to do each step so go give it a try.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2012, 07:41:10 AM »
If I could get them I would pay as much as $200 per wheel  for 1/5 scale wheels made like these....would any one else?

Could these wheels be made for $200 per 1/5 scale wheel?

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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2012, 08:23:11 AM »
If I could get them I would pay as much as $200 per wheel  for 1/5 scale wheels made like these....would any one else?

Could these wheels be made for $200 per 1/5 scale wheel?

Sorry DD, I can't help this.
Max said two days and $40 to make one wheel.  Say 16 hours X the ridiculously low wage of $20 an hour for your time and equipment equals $320, plus $40 for material equals $360 per wheel.  Plus shipping. :o   And that's after you make all the fixtures.
No wonder he said that they would cost more than most people would be willing to spend.
Unless one was going to make at least 20 pair of wheels, you would have to take fixture making into consideration also.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2012, 01:14:03 PM »
Is that 16 hours of production or 16 hours of prototype work?

When I built my first dirt simple K.I.S.S.  I spent 3 days working on it-actual work time some where around 6-8 hours. That was prototype.

Now, can build one in about a hour not including both coffee breaks and looking around the shop to find where I left the tools and  jigs last time I used them.

Oh wait he did say 2 days with every thing set up and in place...drat!
 
 

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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2012, 01:18:13 PM »
Max said 2 days to make a wheel after his equipment was in place.
Make no mistake, these wheels take a long time.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2012, 01:24:06 PM »
Max said 2 days to make a wheel after his equipment was in place.
Make no mistake, these wheels take a long time.
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i got caught editing again...yeah I looked again and he did say 2 days all set up!

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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2012, 11:52:23 AM »
DD I think the only way to make these at the price point you were thinking of is as a kit.... where everything is sized but all finish work is left to the end user and their skill level...
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2012, 04:43:12 PM »
DD I think the only way to make these at the price point you were thinking of is as a kit.... where everything is sized but all finish work is left to the end user and their skill level...

Kabar,
I think kits don't save all that much money.  To build a kit wheel you would still have to make all the fixtures that Max made and make every part.  If all you not doing is putting the parts together and painting you might save $50.  that is all the easy part.
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Re: Building Small Scale Field Artillery Wheels
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2012, 09:17:30 PM »
And even with all the jigs and fixtures, you can make only one size wheel.  You need a complete set of jigs and fixtures for each size you make.
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