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45-70 buffalo classic
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:14:23 AM »
having trouble working up a load that will shoot with peep factory sights. i've tried 350? gr cast, 405 cast fp. over 777 and pyrodex and clean shot. they are all accurate but shoot 12-18 inches below poi at 100yds with peep at full elevation. been shooting speer 350 hot core with a scope for hunting(deadly hole in hole with 4198)with a scope, but i really want use this piece with the peep. can some one help me out? do i need to go heavier?500+gr to get the sights to regulate? should i just get a leatherwood  vintage style scope and call it good? anyone using these with the williams factory sights with any luck? :( i got this gun to shoot with irons but no luck so far. i need some help!

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 08:48:54 AM »
You need a shorter front sight, the sight that comes on the BC is the wrong sight, should be a .494" 17A, but they put a .584" tall 17A sight on it instead, been that way for years even after we've complained about it, there are many, many discussions on it here.  :-\ I put a .404" tall 17A sight on mine, with the Wiliams FP-TK sight at the bottom, it puts 405gr bullets 1½" above POA at 100yds using trapdoor loads, this combination is good to 800 meters or so with 500gr bullets as shown by Bernie(dodd3).

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 10:00:40 AM »
thanks.. i cut one of the posts that comes with it down and will try that with the 405 and 777 this weekend.hoping i can get her to shoot these flat points! i really want to use her for big game with the factory irons! :)

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 11:36:27 AM »
I put a short bead sight on mine until I can get the right sights on it.

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 11:48:40 AM »
I always see if I can cut the bead off anyway to get a post front sight.  Just the way I was trained. Might work well if your sight is too tall.
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 12:20:33 PM »
I shimmed the rear sight of mine for a while, before I went with a ladder....
 
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 12:39:15 PM »
I always see if I can cut the bead off anyway to get a post front sight.  Just the way I was trained. Might work well if your sight is too tall.

Unfortunately the 45-70 BC doesn't come with a bead front sight, comes with a Lyman 17A globe sight which has various sight inserts for target shooting, shortening the post on the insert kinda defeats the purpose of the globe and peep.  IMO a globe sight is a poor hunting sight in the first place, works great for targets tho.

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 08:12:09 AM »
this conversation ids interesting since I am looking at buying a Buffalo Classic and want to shoot it with a peep.
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 09:01:37 AM »
My BC came with the correct sight height.  Guess I got lucky.  ;)
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 02:23:09 PM »
My BC came with the correct sight height.  Guess I got lucky.  ;)

Unfortunately your BC is in a minority group, not many like that, far more with the wrong front sight that shoot too low to adjust. I have three BCs, two came from the factory with the .587" front sight, the correct sight for the 38-55 Target.  :-\

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2012, 06:39:03 AM »
If you really want to use that as a hunting rifle you will need to get a bead front (or whatever your hunting sight preference is), NOT the globe. I've tried it, friends have tried it, one lost a buffalo last year because he said it had worked fine on the steel buff matches he went to, so it should be fine in the field. NO, it hasnt worked but only rare occasions when the circumstances and light were just right. Now, the rear peep is another story, just dont make the mistake of trying to use too small an aperture; the shotgun ap, or even none, is better on the hunt.
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2012, 02:40:05 PM »
We have five BCs, three in 45 LC and two 45/70. Four of them are scoped. I'd like to hunt with one of the 45/70s with open sights.
Can someone please link me to a front and rear sight set that will allow me to hunt with mild loads out to 200 yards?
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2012, 05:20:25 PM »
Not a 'set', but FWIW, my one 38-55 has just the front globe replaced with a Gold Bead, which I prefer over an 'Ivory Bead' as an all rounder. This is the typical 3/8" dovetail Marbles/Lyman type easily available. It may be difficult to knock that globe out, but see the FAQs about that. Once it is out you can mock up a simple sight with a wood base and a short nail and tape it on to figure out what height you need for your distance, then order the right one to knock in. If you use your BC basic rear peep you will have a fine hunting rig this way and on the cheap.
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2012, 07:54:45 PM »
I DID WHAT QUICKTO TOLD ME GET THE LOWER LYMAN GLOBE WITH THE DIFFERANT INSERTS .MINE REALLY SHOOTS GOOD AT 100 YARDS NOW.QUICKTO IS THE  ACE ON H&R'S AND NEF RIFLES.THE OLD WAS A BEACH TO GET OFF GOOD LUCK. ;D

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 08:00:34 AM »
Thanks for the suggestions. I understand that the wood and nail exercise would be a good way of doing it, but I'm going to skip it and try a Marble's Front sight .410” height, .340" width with the 1/16" gold bead and hope this gets me in the ball park. Does anyone see any glaring incompatibility here? The sight is $11.99 at Midway. Thanks!
 

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2012, 09:59:37 AM »
it puts 405gr bullets 1½" above POA at 100yds using trapdoor loads, this combination is good to 800 meters or so with 500gr bullets as shown by Bernie(dodd3).

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Can you elaborate on what you're saying here?  I've been drouling over the Buffalo Classics for years and years and have never bought one.  If I did buy one, I'd want to shoot it at as long of distances as the gun would allow.  I'd like to know how a guy gets one setup to shoot that kind of distance with trapdoor loads.  I appologize if I'm getting off topic, please feel free to send a response through PM's so we don't derail this thread.

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2012, 11:18:15 AM »
the factory put the wrong front sight on called the factory they could not realize what i was telling them.remington migt have solved the problem now don't know.

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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2012, 11:47:27 AM »
it puts 405gr bullets 1½" above POA at 100yds using trapdoor loads, this combination is good to 800 meters or so with 500gr bullets as shown by Bernie(dodd3).

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Can you elaborate on what you're saying here?  I've been drouling over the Buffalo Classics for years and years and have never bought one.  If I did buy one, I'd want to shoot it at as long of distances as the gun would allow.  I'd like to know how a guy gets one setup to shoot that kind of distance with trapdoor loads.  I appologize if I'm getting off topic, please feel free to send a response through PM's so we don't derail this thread.

See Long Range Sights for the BC and Target in the FAQs, thinking a bit more on it, Bernie was using the FP-TK to 500 meters and the Smith sight for 800 meters, both with the Lee 500R bullet @ 1500fps. John Boy shoots trap door loads to 1000yds in his BC, but I think he uses a vernier tang sight, there's a link in the FAQs on it too.
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2012, 12:01:32 PM »
If you look carefully, you might be able to pick up something to modify.  This is a surplus sight off an Arisaka mod. 38, or 44 (not sure which), that I got off flea bay.  A little machining and it makes a good long range sight.  I have shot mine to 800 yds. at steel plates using trap door level loads.
 
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Re: 45-70 buffalo classic
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2012, 06:23:16 PM »
Ben : THANK YOU for such a great thought. (thinkin' outside the box, Huh) :o ;D This brings up all sorts of GOOD Ideas. YUP!!!!!! God Bless to all.

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