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Should I build a 45-120?
« on: December 22, 2012, 01:08:38 PM »
Recently picked up a 45-70 ultra stainless. What is the thought on reaming it to 45-120? Think the 24" barrel will be ok?These pesky feral cats are getting bigger here so I need more stopping power.
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2012, 01:11:46 PM »
Go for it. It really turns heads at the range.
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2012, 01:18:08 PM »
Oh, man..!  I'm squirming about reaming one barrel to 45-90 and you want to go the big one.  Well, it's your gun.  I'm not thinking I'm man enough to handle the 120.  Power to you if ya' can...

It is a new era after all.  Go for it.
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2012, 01:37:22 PM »
I would rather shoot a Max load out of my 120 than the 45-70.
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2012, 02:34:08 PM »
George,
 
If you don't have a 45-120 we can't show you the secret handshake. ::)
 
If you do decide to ream big you might want to consider the 3.25" 450 Nitro Express.  The 450NE has a bit more case capacity and the brass and dies are about the same price.  Also, you can buy factory smokeless ammo for the 450NE and the only loaded ammo I have  seen for the 45-120 is either BP or BP-substitute.
FWIW, I have been able to  exceed 458WM velocity with my 32"  45-120 shooting 350 g Hornady RN jacketed bullets using Large Pistol Primers.  The 45-120 can generate some serious energy and velocity while operating at fairly low pressure.   You will loose some velocity with the shorter barrel but you will easily be able to out perform the 45-70 Ruger #1 loads at a  much lower chamber pressure.  Downside is you will go through a lot of powder as the lower pressure comes at the loss of load efficiency.
 
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2012, 02:05:35 AM »
Tom, I think you answered the question I just asked in this other current thread.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,270215.0.html

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2012, 05:31:03 AM »
Pete,
Comparing apples to apples, same bullet, same velocity, same barrel length, then a 45-70 would be more efficient in powder use than a 45-90 or 45-120. 
 
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2012, 05:39:39 AM »
OK, same bullet, same velocity, same barrel length, which one will have less recoil?

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2012, 05:55:06 AM »
If you want to use blackpowder the .45-120 is pretty cool.  With smokeless not so much.
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2012, 06:08:26 AM »
Quote from: rdlange on December 23, 2012, 05:39:39 AM
OK, same bullet, same velocity, same barrel length, which one will have less recoil?

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The one that uses less powder if rifle weight is the same.  ;)

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2012, 06:41:15 AM »
low end lever loads was all the fun i wanted


go for it  if your bored with top end 45-70 modern loads


personally i wouldnt modify that gun....
get a cheaper version  to retire when your tired of the abuse
or just another barrel
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2012, 07:52:52 AM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov on December 23, 2012, 06:41:15 AM
low end lever loads was all the fun i wanted


go for it  if your bored with top end 45-70 modern loads


personally i wouldnt modify that gun....
get a cheaper version  to retire when your tired of the abuse
or just another barrel
+1... don't mess with the stainless barrel... get a carbon barrel to rechamber... then you will have the .45/70 and .45/120 for the same frame.... and can off load the 120 to some other unsuspecting shooter while you are rehabbing from shoulder surgery!  ;)   :D
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2012, 03:44:34 AM »
You just bought my gun! Mine is a shooter, for sure and certain, though I have cin. lam UV wood on it as Im not a thumbhole kinda guy. The stock design puts the recoil impulse right for me with a scoped kicker and the 45-70 case, as Swampman said, holds all the smokeless you need to make it abusive and Black Powder is why they made 'em longer.
That said, IF I were to entertain the thought of a longer case it would be the 45-90 so I could get more Trail Boss in.
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2012, 10:08:41 AM »
Jeepman, just out of curiosity, what do we have in west Texas big enough for the 120?

Gcrank, never thought about Trail Boss in 45-90.  Not a powder I'm familiar with.  Tell me more.

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2012, 10:41:17 AM »
I'll PM ya soasta not 'jack the thread :P
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2012, 10:58:53 AM »
Not a problem "jack the thread "
 Info is nice!
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 Many years ago I took 5 whitetails down with one shot from a 338 Win (250 gr Barnes bullet). Took forever to get them lined up side by side for the kneeling  shot  ;D Been wondering if a 458 bullet would do the same thing or maybe even better.Before I am accused of telling a Texas Fairy Tale (this did not start with"you ain't gonna believe this shi*) Tim Watkins was with me and to this day still gripes about having to use 3 of his deer tags because of "that darn 338 and elephant bullets.
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2012, 11:34:53 AM »
Way to go G!
Ive already done a lengthy PM post, but Im guessing he will be doing some interesting experiments next year (if not sooner  ;D ).
Hey BB, didnt you do some TB trials with the 120 or have a link to a post about it? (BTW, since you got the 120 brass from me can you show me the handshake?  :'( ........)
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2012, 11:43:27 AM »
George, Just to correct ya, Sea Stories begin with "This is no Sh*t". ;)   I do believe ya and wish I coulda been there.  That would have been something to see.

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2012, 11:48:11 AM »
Me too, those kinda things usually happen by accident with just a couple animals involved, not 5!  :o  ;D

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 11:52:43 AM »
Now this is scary...............
 A Yankee  believing a Texan
Maybe the end is coming after all
Everyone climb in the fireproof safe   ;D
And now everyone knows the difference between a Texas Fairy Tale and a Sea Story

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 12:22:10 PM »
blake,
I shot TB in the 45-120 a couple of summers ago and currently have a bunch of 500 grain cast Penn Bullets sitting on top of 30 grains of TB.     IIRC, 30 grains of TB with 525 g lead postel was just over 1300 fps.  30 grains is about a 90% load density.  I have found in the 45 cal rifles that velocity from TB goes down as you approach 100% load density.  I have seen others report the same thing regarding this powder. 
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2012, 12:24:35 PM »
Been to the bar and heard them both and have the missing teeth to prove it :-X

The details are still a little fuzzy, but years ago, I left one on the beach myself. ??? ??? :o

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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2012, 12:32:05 PM »
In the context of the old 'express cartridges' they lengthened the case and put a lighter than 'normal' bull on top; I wonder what you would have gotten with, say, a 300-340 gr.'er? Sounds like a good trial for a certain 45-90....... :) .
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2012, 02:25:44 AM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on December 24, 2012, 12:32:05 PM
I wonder what you would have gotten with, say, a 300-340 gr.'er?
Good reason to buy the bag of 330 grain, .459" lead HPs I saw at the local candy shop. ;)
 
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2012, 05:13:08 AM »
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Re: Should I build a 45-120?
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2012, 07:17:10 AM »
Quote from: jeepmann1948 on December 24, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
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