Author Topic: Got it today Tim(50 cal Huntsman) Pics updated! (Read 3747 times)

ousooners1baby · « **on:** April 02, 2013, 01:20:54 PM »

Now, what do I do with it? What is this nipple? The one for the shotgun primers?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2013, 01:33:35 PM »

Looks sorta like it, but can't really tell, maybe someone with more keen Huntsman eyes can tell ya for sure, I haven't even shot mine yet!

Tim

ousooners1baby · « **Reply #2 on:** April 03, 2013, 06:27:32 AM »

Not too many knowing on here right now I guess?

This has a very fine hole in the breech. Not sure if the shotgun primer just fits inside and blast is directed into hole. Not sure the amount of use this gun had but it has not been cleaned much.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** April 03, 2013, 08:08:37 AM »

A better pic might help, what's the serial number prefix on the frame?

Tim

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2013, 07:59:28 AM »

I think you need to remove the plug and maybe see what it is. Almost looks like it is maybe a .25cal conversion. Can you get the plug out ? It should turn to the left when removing. Kurt

ousooners1baby · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2013, 08:37:46 AM »

You think so Kurt? I will try and get it out and see.

MikeC · « **Reply #6 on:** April 05, 2013, 02:28:18 AM »

I have a sidekick rather than a huntsman, but...It doesn't look like the 25 cal conversion or any aftermarket plug. They had a hex nut shape for removal with a socket wrench. The slots for removal looks like the stock plug to be used with a plastic primer carrier.
-Mike

YRUpunting? · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2013, 03:57:20 AM »

Quote from: MikeC on April 05, 2013, 02:28:18 AM

I have a sidekick rather than a huntsman, but...It doesn't look like the 25 cal conversion or any aftermarket plug. They had a hex nut shape for removal with a socket wrench. The slots for removal looks like the stock plug to be used with a plastic primer carrier.
-Mike

Yep that's the standard plug that uses the carriers. You're going to need to get the plug tool to get it out. See the FAQ. It looks very dirty to me, if it doesn't come out fairly easily you may need to let it sit with cleaning solvent on it for a day or two. I loosen mine every other shot so I can easily get it out. I learned this the hard way.

Maybe just the picture, but it looks like the chamber is cracked. Is there a slot cut in the chamber rim?

MikeC · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2013, 04:30:11 AM »

I think the chamber rim has a slot for a small tab on the primer carrier that sticks outside the barrel.

-Mike

Busta · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2013, 05:46:05 AM »

That is one of the OEM Breech plugs. Either the 7/8" or the 5/8", depending on the year of the Huntsman. You cannot tell which one by looking at that end, until you remove it at least part way. 2002-2004 used the 7/8", 2005-2008 use the 5/8". They both use the orange primer carriers for 209 primers.

Your rifle is a 2003, and will have the 7/8" breech plug.

OEM Primer Carriers, fired on left, new on right. JUNK, IMO.

OEM Breech Plug Tool on left, Customized Tool on right.

Did I mention, I HATE THE NEW PHOTOBUCKET???

OEM Breech Plug on left, Hubbard 209 Breech Plug on right.

Top wrench for OEM and Hubbard Plug, bottom wrench for Hubbard 209 nipple.

This is a 25 ACP Conversion.

L-R; OEM Breech Plug, OEM Breech Plug with my Easy As Pie #11 Conversion, OEM Breech Plug with OEM Primer Carrier and 209 Primer, .25 ACP Breech Plug, Hubbard 209 Breech Plug.

Hubbard Breech Plug with 209 primer nipple removed and #11 Knight nipple in place.

Aftermarket 209 breech plug, 7/8" top, 5/8" bottom.

My Easy As Pie #11 Conversion.

My Custom 209 Breech plugs with removable vent liners. 7/8" top, 5/8" bottom.

With some Lehigh Vent Liners.

It's not a sickness, really! I cleaned out the bottom of my range box one day, it's much lighter now.

Confused yet? Just wanted you to be aware there are alternatives, much better alternatives.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2013, 06:05:49 AM »

Thanks Busta!!

Tim

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2013, 06:59:46 AM »

You the man Busta !!! I don't know how the plug in ? could be something you don't have

. That's quite a collection

Kurt

ousooners1baby · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2013, 09:28:13 AM »

Good lord!

ousooners1baby · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2013, 04:45:39 PM »

Ok, I have no breech tool to get breech out. Can't find one. I would like to get a 7/8 breech that will fir the hundreds of musket caps I have. This possible Buster?

YRUpunting? · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2013, 04:59:06 PM »

You can get the breach plug wrench from H&R or Numrich below. It's number 23.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/NewEnglandFirearms-33412/SidekickMuzzleloader-37585.htm?results=All

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** April 07, 2013, 05:03:08 PM »

There's a link in the FAQs on breech plug tools, seems to me one of em is a drag link tool from an auto parts store.

Tim

Busta · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2013, 06:40:48 PM »

Quote from: PHATINJUN on April 06, 2013, 06:59:46 AM

You the man Busta !!! I don't know how the plug in ? could be something you don't have . That's quite a collection Kurt

What do you mean? I have several!

ousooners1baby · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2013, 05:02:40 AM »

So how do I get a musket breech Busta?

Busta · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2013, 03:19:30 AM »

Quote from: ousooners1baby on April 08, 2013, 05:02:40 AM

So how do I get a musket breech Busta?

The only way I know of is if you can get a Hubbard Breech plug and screw in a musket nipple. However, I doubt it would work very well with the standard firing pin.

The #11 only works for a limited number of shots, before some serious cleaning is required in and around the firing pin opening in the standing breech. In other words, will work for a couple shots while hunting, but for an extended range session over 5 or 6 shots, not so much.

The older 70's Huntsmans have a large diameter flat firing pin for striking caps. This helps prevent some of the blowback gases and carbon from sticking the pin like in the newer Huntsmans that use a shotgun firing pin for 209 primers.

Personally, I wouldn't waste my time with a #11 or musket nipple, unless it may be a requirement of your States hunting regulations. Get a carrierless 209 primer plug, and if you ever want to shoot Blackhorn 209 you'll be all set.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2013, 06:34:23 PM »

Busta,

Only 38 different types of alternative breech plugs?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2013, 06:40:21 PM »

I made my own 7/8" musket nipple breech plug, pops RWS flangeless caps just fine, haven't shot it yet tho, so I'll be mindful of the ignition problems when working loads, thx Busta.

Tim

Busta · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:40:05 AM »

***WARNING***

If anyone is using a #11 or musket nipple for ignition in the newer Huntsman/Sidekick, just make sure you keep an eye on your standard firing pin. There is the possibility that blowback carbon could stick it in the out position, and there is no ejector/extractor that would give you a heads up, or break it off. If this were to happen, there is the possibility that when you install a new cap on the nipple then close the action, the stuck firing pin COULD POSSIBLY set off the nipple and your charge. Be extra careful, especially when closing a primed and loaded rifle.

Just make sure to check your firing pin after each and every shot for function, to make sure it returns into the receiver, and is not protruding past the standing breech. As mentioned earlier, at some point carbon will stick the firing pin. If shooting at the range, some BP cleaner/windex/alcohol/break free or similar on a Q-Tip can help keep things operating longer.

What I do is after each shot with the action open (fired/unloaded rifle), cock the hammer and pull trigger while controlling the hammer fall, pushing it forward so the firing pin extends past the standing breech. Holding this position, use a Q-Tip with one of the above cleaners, and clean the firing pin and standing breech, maintaining trigger pull to keep transfer bar engaged, working hammer/firing pin back and forth.

Remember that Black Powder and most BP Substitued are also very corrosive, so a thourough cleaning inside and out may be required after shooting.

Just wanted to get that out there, and as always, Safety First.

ousooners1baby · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2013, 11:12:32 AM »

Tnaks busta!

Busta · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2013, 07:15:52 AM »

I guess I should read my post, before pulling the trigger.

I'll try to correct it.

Quote from: Busta on April 11, 2013, 02:40:05 AM

***WARNING***

If anyone is using a #11 or musket nipple for ignition in the newer Huntsman/Sidekick, just make sure you keep an eye on your standard firing pin. There is the possibility that blowback carbon could stick it in the out position, and there is no ejector/extractor that would give you a heads up, or break it off. If this were to happen, there is the possibility that when you install a new cap on the nipple then close the action, the stuck firing pin COULD POSSIBLY set off the ~~nipple~~ cap and your charge. Be extra careful, especially when closing a primed and loaded rifle.

Just make sure to check your firing pin after each and every shot for function, to make sure it returns into the receiver, and is not protruding past the standing breech. As mentioned earlier, at some point carbon will stick the firing pin. If shooting at the range, some BP cleaner/windex/alcohol/break free or similar on a Q-Tip can help keep things operating longer.

What I do is after each shot with the action open (fired/unloaded rifle), cock the hammer and pull trigger while controlling the hammer fall, pushing it forward so the firing pin extends past the standing breech. Holding this position, use a Q-Tip with one of the above cleaners, and clean the firing pin and standing breech, maintaining trigger pull to keep transfer bar engaged, working hammer/firing pin back and forth.

Remember that Black Powder and most BP ~~Substitued~~ Substitutes are also very corrosive, so a ~~thourough~~ thorough cleaning inside and out may be required after shooting.

Just wanted to get that out there, and as always, Safety First.

There is probably more, but that should help.

crossxsticks · « **Reply #24 on:** April 24, 2013, 09:59:51 AM »

I shoot the heck out of my 50 cal huntsman, and i hadn't took the plug out of it for a few (years) yes years I dont take the breech plugs out of the TC renegade to clean the barrel and I dont see any reason to if I do good job of cleaning from muzzle on a huntsman i do clean the end of the plug where the carrier fits that is bout all , then i thought i wanted a spare plug so i just took it out couple days ago to see which size the plug was not a real problem soaked it in water for couple hours and used this little tool it came right out

cudatruck · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2013, 09:16:58 PM »

So Busta....... after all that experimenting which one have you found to be the most reliable? simplest to use?

Busta · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2013, 05:14:35 AM »

Quote from: cudatruck on April 25, 2013, 09:16:58 PM

So Busta....... after all that experimenting which one have you found to be the most reliable? simplest to use?

No question the aftermarket carrierless 209 plug is 100% reliable, and very simple to use.

My favorite plugs are my customs with the removable vent liners, also 100% reliable in my experience. These have a flame channel that goes from the primer pocket down to the vent liner. Carbon builds up in there and needs to be cleaned out by removing the vent liner and simply turning a 5/32" drill bit by hand through the plug when cleaning after a range session.