.308 wulf

[vlado_t]

Would the handy survivor shoot this stuff??  Or are the primers too hard like on the 7,62x39 wolf.  What kind of accuracy should I expect?

I know some of you would rather throw stones than shoot wolf, but Im looking for half-way decent and inexpensive round for plinking.  
The .223 wolf shoots about 2" out of my .223 handy, and that's good enough for me.  I was wondering if the .308 would do as good.  

Has anyone shot any mil surplus .308 that works (fires)?.. I know nef says not to do it.  But I've shot surplus 5,56 without any problems.

thx

[jack19512]

You can do what you want, but I think there is probably a good reason NEF does not recommend shooting military surplus ammo in their rifles.   :eek:

[Stan in SC]

Wolf ammunition isn't military surplus.It is made for the commercial m,arket.I think it will shoot fine in your rifle.

[R.W.Dale]

I have shot it in my survivor and it shot quite well BUT you better have a cleaning rod handy because none of the spent casings would eject.

[jack19512]

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I was not referring to Wolf ammo as military surplus,  just making a comment about the use of military surplus ammo in the NEF rifles.   :-)

[vlado_t]

Darn it...
I got this inexpensive rifle so I can shoot inexpensive ammo in it... But I guess I cannot.  This doesn't make sence.  You gus say the 7,62x39 will not shoot the mil surplus stuff.  Now the .308 wants top notch ammo also.  Why make an inexpensive rifle that won't shoot inexpensive ammo?  Had I known that I would have to buy top notch ammo I would have spent the extra money and bought a better, bolt action gun   :x
Would the survivor shoot moa, or sub moa with match grade ammo??  If it won't I guess I really wasted my money on this one  :?

Thx for all the replies

[R.W.Dale]

Darn it...
I got this inexpensive rifle so I can shoot inexpensive ammo in it... But I guess I cannot.  This doesn't make sence.  You gus say the 7,62x39 will not shoot the mil surplus stuff.  Now the .308 wants top notch ammo also.  Why make an inexpensive rifle that won't shoot inexpensive ammo?  Had I known that I would have to buy top notch ammo I would have spent the extra money and bought a better, bolt action gun   :x
Would the survivor shoot moa, or sub moa with match grade ammo??  If it won't I guess I really wasted my money on this one  :?

Thx for all the replies

 The last time I checked companies other than WOLF make .308 ammo. All I can tell you is that if you want to shoot milsurp ammo buy a milsurp rifle.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=337584

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=433309

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=875598

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=667382

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=830685

 Hardly match grade and all under 12 dollars per box.

[myarmor]

Chill man, it's not bad. NEF/H&R says not to shoot it for liability issues. Surplus ammo is usually loaded pretty hot making for some high pressures, especially 7.62x51NATO . They shoot this linked stuff in Machineguns. I would not want to shoot this kind of ammo in my 308 or 30-06. Have you tried Wolf ammo in your 308 yet? Some Handi's don't like Wolf stuff and it's not exactly the most precise ammunition out there, but try it out and see for yourself if yours will shoot it. Polish your chamber if you get some stuck cases.
 I shoot Wolf 55gr Hollow Points in my 223, it's dirty and isn't that accurate aout 2-3" groups at 120yards, but it's fun to plink with.
I have shot the PMC and PMP ammo in my 30-06 and it shoots rather well. Cheap too being around $7-9 a box.
 I got it from here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=154384
They have some good prices on there ammo as does Midway.
Just try it out before you make up your mind so quickly to down your Handi.

[vlado_t]

Yeah, other companies make .308 but at $.50 and up a pop.  The Wulf stuff is like $.15.   And It's just as accurate as remmington, american eagle, umc, etc.. at least in .223 caliber.   Oh well, didn't mean to offend any handymanics, I'm just sorry the .308 handy is picky, unlike the .223.
thx for all the replies

[jack19512]

vlado_t

I'm curious too.  If you wanted to take advantage of this inexpensive military surplus ammo(or Wolf) why didn't you just get an SKS(7.62X39) or maybe a Mosin Nagant(7.62X54)and shoot away.   :shock:

[Norseman112]

I never had any good luck with wolf ammo no matter what kind of gun I used...... :?  

Norse

[jack19512]

I have read a couple reviews where someone thought that Wolf ammo shot well but I have read many who thought Wolf was the worst ammo they have tried.

I myself have only shot Wolf in my SKS and AK.  I have no problems with Wolf in any of these rifles as far as function goes but accuracy is another story.  

When I want accuracy I get the NEF 223 Ultra Varmint and Winchester 45GR Varmint ammo, now that's accurate!

[vlado_t]

I do have an sks and an ak, but the problem with them is that is difficult to mount a scope on them, at least on the sks.  The AK's arent very accurate, so it is pointless.   The sks is accurate but no one makes a mount that would hold zero .   Plus, 7,62x39 vs .308..  We're talking different ballistics.  I also have few sprtisized mausers that shoot moa with surplus ammo!  The problem with them is that the 8mm ammo won't be around for much longer, at least not the surpluss stuff.  Also, I hate cleaning after corrosove stuff, and most surplus 8mm is corrosive.  That is why I decided to get a .308.  I figured the nef .308 is inexpeensive, and I'll just get some surplus 7,62x51 or cheep .308.  I though it would eat anything I feed it like my .223 nef does.   I guess not.  But that's ok.  I found some commercial soft point .308 for about $7-$8/20 rds, which is expensive to me.  I'm just going to have to not shoot the .308 a whole lot  

[R.W.Dale]

If you want a NEF barrel that you can shoot for CHEAP you need a .357 magnum barrel you can find 38specals for less than $10 per box of 50 plus they are unbelievably quiet to boot.

[myarmor]

True most SKS scope mounts are shaky, and don't hold good zero because they are attached to the dust cover. The solid mounts are the ones that mount to the receiver using the small holes already existing on the left side. Many Bubba's out there will weld the dust cover to the receiver and then mount the scope on top  Totally ruining the rifle-How you gona take it apart now?
I am not suggesting you go out and try surplus in your Handi. But then again I can't stop you :wink:  
These little guns are pretty strong. You can see this by the thread about mmb1226's problem:
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=70638
It's a very good thing no one got hurt.
Why not pick up 1 box of Wolf...for what, $4.. and try it? I mean it would be better than buying 500 and then finding out they won't shoot.

[R.W.Dale]

I have shot it in my survivor and it shot quite well BUT you better have a cleaning rod handy because none of the spent casings would eject.

If this fellers rifle has the extractor instead of the ejector he may be ok.

[myarmor]

Your probably right. The odds might be slim that his is the Extractor, unless it's the newest production. I haven't heard of a 308 with the extractor.
A good chamber polish should do the trick if he gets too many stuck cases. Attaching a brass cleaning brush to a small drill and using a careful hand.
But I agree with the 357 barrel 100%. Thats the next one on my list.
Or he could get a 44Mag. Shells are about $12 for 50rds of PMC.

[lostsniper308]

but I think there is probably a good reason NEF does not recommend shooting military surplus ammo in their rifles.   :eek:

say wah! why is that. I shot .308 Aussie surp in mine!

[myarmor]

............ok......there ya go.
How did it shoot lostsniper?

[DPRinks]

ADI makes very good ammo and powders, in fact, Hodgdon buys quite a bit of their powders from ADI.

[vlado_t]

Yeah, The survivor I  just got has an ejector, not an extractor.  
I'll be shooting some Igman and Hirtenberger SPs tomorrow.  These are supposed to be commercial .308 win (at least the Igman is), not 7,62x51.
I'll let you guys know how things go.
So you guys say I can shoot 38special in a .357mag nef barrel without any mods?  I'm not familiar with the 38special.  Let me check the ballistics and if I lik them I'll consider it  :-)

[jack19512]

Posted by Lostsniper

"say wah! why is that. I shot .308 Aussie surp in mine!"





You need to ask NEF why, they are the ones that made the rifles not me.  I've done things I wasn't suppose to do all my life, some worked out ok , some didn't.

The last time I did something I wasn't suppose to do I fell about 20-25 foot from a ladder and ended up in the hospital.  That's one that didn't work out.  Like I said, it's your hide, do what you want to do.

[stimpylu32]

The point most people miss is that mil. spec. ammo is designed to function in semi and full auto weapons under less than ideal conditions .

There for they have much higher pressures to make the guns work properly

[R.W.Dale]

The point most people miss is that mil. spec. ammo is designed to function in semi and full auto weapons under less than ideal conditions .

There for they have much higher pressures to make the guns work properly

 Actually believe it or not 7.62x51NATO has a LOWER pressure rating than 308win, 223 and 5.56x45 is the oppisite.

 SAAMI pressure 7.62 nato = 50,000 psi, .308 62,000 psi.

[stimpylu32]

Krochus wrote

Actually believe it or not 7.62x51NATO has a LOWER pressure rating than 308win, 223 and 5.56x45 is the oppisite.

 SAAMI pressure 7.62 nato = 50,000 psi, .308 62,000 psi

I stand corrected ,I read the data backwards  :oops:  :oops:

[vlado_t]

So I took my survivor .308 first time out the other day.  I figured I'll zero it with some israeli 7,62x51.  First shot 6" off.  Adjusted the scope and after couple of shots I was zeroed at 50yds.  Next I figured I'll shoot some groops at 50yds with the Israeli stuff.  First shot, bulls eye!  Second shoot touching!!  Third shot touching!!!  I was shocked!!!   I ran to pick up the targets and moved to the 100yd range.   First shot 3-4" high.  Second shot TOUCHING!!  Third Shot touchong!!!  I didn't believe my eyes so I ran down range to see up close.  All 3 were touching.   I was ready to call ammunition store and order several thousand rounds.  This stuff goes for $139/1000rds.  I was sooo excited!!
Than I figured I'll just continue shooting sub moa   .  Well, it didn't happen.  Shots started spreading as much as 6"  :cry:   I shot 40 rds and only 1-2 ever touched again.  What happened??  Were the first 6 shots just a fluke?  The barrel never got hot.  It was barely warm.  I think my scope started acting up.  I had a Buckridge 6-24x42.  Never had problems before with it on a .223rifle.  I know some of you will say I screwed up my barrel by shooting surplus 7,62 .  No ejection problems, no failures to fire.
Next I moved on to Hirtinberger .308 SPs.  shots gruped about 3-4".  All the casings failed to eject  :cry: This was some dirty stuff.
The Igman .308 win SP's were next.  I drew a line of holes starting 5" high above the bullseye all the way down to it.  Horizontal spread less than 1.5"!!  No ejection problems no ftf's.  I'm almost sure my scopes elevation wasn't holding zero.  
Than I moved on to the 230yrd range.  The Igman stuf shot about 12" low :cry: , or my scope just went dead  :cry: .  
Next, I will be putting on BSA platinum target scope.  Holds zero on my 8mm mauser, so I should be OK.
Overall, mixed feelings.  Recoil was bad with the .308 win stuff, but not with the surplus 7,62.

[cheatermk3]

Hey Vlado
You probably need to clean the bore and polish with flitz.

My new(to me) 25-06 was heavily fouled when I got it.  I spent a couple of hours getting it clean after shooting a few shots to zero the scope, it did the same thing--a few rounds into small group then vertical stringing.  Also, the first shot out of a cold barrel went 3" high at 50 yds.

After polishing the bore with flitz it groups much better, and the first shot is in the group not several inches above it.

Also, make sure your rings are properly aligned and square.  I put a new set of Leupold QD rings on my 25-06 and they were way out of square until after I lapped them in.  This was making the stringing problem very much worse--I know this because the rings that were on the rifle when I got it, also Leupold rings, had been lapped and the stringing/first shot high problems got magnified about 5 times.  Got better after lapping the rings and remounting the scope, went away completely after polishing the bore.

There's a sticky on all this at the top of the forum.

Good luck and have fun w/the new 308!

[vlado_t]

ahh..    this thing needs that much cleaning?  I shot less than 80rds.  With my .223 I've shot over 200rds/day without leaning, with no weird groupings.  And if I remebber correctly, I think I did ran a few patches with solvent after switching to the next brand of ammo.  
OK  I'll see  if Ican figure out the poliching thing.   :-)
Thx for the advise

[lostsniper308]

Darn it...
I got this inexpensive rifle so I can shoot inexpensive ammo in it... But I guess I cannot.  This doesn't make sence.  You gus say the 7,62x39 will not shoot the mil surplus stuff.  Now the .308 wants top notch ammo also.  Why make an inexpensive rifle that won't shoot inexpensive ammo?  Had I known that I would have to buy top notch ammo I would have spent the extra money and bought a better, bolt action gun   :x
Would the survivor shoot moa, or sub moa with match grade ammo??  If it won't I guess I really wasted my money on this one  :?

Thx for all the replies

YO try some of the new Federal Fusion i heard si really good and inexpensive.

[lostsniper308]

............ok......there ya go.
How did it shoot lostsniper?

Well it shot alright for being NATO spec but nothing bad happened to my rifle. One guy i knew said 3"@100yrds with his Survivior .308