Author Topic: Remington ammo incident (Read 8334 times)

Huffmanite · « **on:** March 09, 2006, 01:09:49 PM »

Went to range yesterday to try some of my reloads. Inexperienced shooter several benches from me using 270 Remington ammo he'd bought about a year ago. About tenth round from box, one of his shots had a strange report. Looked in his direction to see him eject brass and examine it closely. Brass had a T shaped split in it about 1/2 inch long and about 1/4 inch wide. Split along 1/2 inch part about 1/32 inch wide. Took man inside of store that was part of range to show brass to experienced worker there and seek his opinion. Worker did a double take of the split in brass and replied, "You have one piece of bad brass!"
I'm not knocking Remington ammo, just passing this incident on.

KN · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2006, 03:45:59 PM »

Thats not unusual for any brand. I load a lot for priarie dogs. (Me and two daughters) And I have found there is usually a couple of pieces that fail on the first shot. This is usually out of a lot of a thousand or more. Winchester or Federal is what I shoot the most. KN

peakoftherut · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2006, 03:56:13 PM »

I suppose when you consider the millions of cases they manufactor there are bound to be some defective ones. At least nobody got hurt, and he was shooting at paper and not a once in a lifetime buck. I hope he contacts Remington. I have never had a case split on me, but I did have some Federal classic's that the bullets wouldn't expand correctly. I havn't used them since.

Siskiyou · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:43:15 AM »

Brass failure is not the norm in factory new ammuntion. I have seen very few failures with factory ammunition. In law enforcement I have seen thousands of rounds fired in a long day. This included centerfire rifle, pistol, and shotgun. When a round fails on the law enforcement range the ammuniton is examined, and discussed on the range and in the classroom. An officer has to have faith in his duty ammuniton. A problem was found with some ammunition in auto loading hand guns.

Having said that, I know failures occur. Hopefully Remington was contacted with detailed information on the failure. Over the years we have seen recalls on certain lots of ammuniton.

Thanks for the heads up, I buy bulk Remington and Winchester cases.

Recently I came across a box of shells I reloaded in the early 70's. I notice they are starting to develop stress cracks in the shoulder area. I will salvage the bullets and powder. The message to me is that I need to inspect all of my ammunition before using it.

hunt127588 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2006, 06:13:42 AM »

I had a problem with a new box of Remington Express .308 out of a Remington LTR. After the first firing (factory), three of the cases and split case necks. I don't know if it was improper annealing or else. It isn't a problem with the LTR's headspace as Winchester cartridges have no issue in it. I just think some bad brass slips by from time to time.Here are some pics:

fknipfer · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2006, 06:09:01 PM »

I had a whole box of 30-06 Core Lokt that split on me, but it was old old ammo. The Winchester and Federal were also old but did not split when I shot it. I was just trying to clean my closet of old ammo and this was the result. I threw all the Remington cases away. It looked to me like it wasn't made as good as the Winchester and Federal. Its probably alright if brand new but don't let it set for a couple or three years before you shoot it up. I probably won't by Remington again because of this.

fknipfer

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2006, 12:03:44 PM »

I got hold of a box of winchester 44 spcl that had two rounds that were missing flash holes. Needless to say they locked two diffrent revolvers up tighter than a drum.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2006, 01:42:27 PM »

Quote from: krochus on August 16, 2006, 12:03:44 PM

I got hold of a box of winchester 44 spcl that had two rounds that were missing flash holes. Needless to say they locked two diffrent revolvers up tighter than a drum.

And this applies to Remington how?

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2006, 02:27:20 PM »

Quote from: JPSaxMan on August 16, 2006, 01:42:27 PM

Quote from: krochus on August 16, 2006, 12:03:44 PM
I got hold of a box of winchester 44 spcl that had two rounds that were missing flash holes. Needless to say they locked two diffrent revolvers up tighter than a drum.

And this applies to Remington how?

Chill man!

This thread has already gotten into general factory ammunition QC defects. I just thout I'd add this to illustrate that this kinda thing isn't a remington only problem

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2006, 05:36:05 PM »

Ok, just trying to understand why you posted something about Winchester in Remington-land

safetysheriff · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2006, 07:26:23 AM »

i'm coming into this real late, and only get onto this Remington forum occassionally; but i agree with the man posting the Winchester .44 Spcl problem that he had!

why?

because it's indicative of the fact that Remington is not the only ammo' with an occassional problem and that if one leaves the purchase of Rem' ammo' behind him to buy from other vendors he/she should consider the possibility of problems there as well!

why the over reaction from the moderator?

ss'

sniperVLS · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2006, 07:31:23 AM »

Sensing over-reaction is subjective. I dont see how JP's question was over-reacting, it's not like he flipped out or anything

wolfsong · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2006, 08:59:01 PM »

Thinkin' about making some popcorn, for a minute there. Anyway, I stopped using Remington ammo for deer hunting about ten years ago. I much prefer Winchester's CPX ballistic tips over core-lokts. It was an accuracy and distance thing, not a "quality" issue. I do shoot a lot of Remington handgun ammo, though. Prefer it much more than Winchester white box, especially in my bottom feeders. Ya'll want butter on that popcorn? Peace and God bless, Wolfsong.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2006, 06:50:03 AM »

Yeah...as a moderator, I was wondering why an issue on Winchester was being brought up in Remington forum...then the poster outlined his reasoning and it was clear that it was ok, so I left it alone. I would hardly call that an over-reaction and maybe if you do, you might need some psychiatric help or something

safetysheriff · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2006, 12:25:52 PM »

Quote from: JPSaxMan on September 11, 2006, 06:50:03 AM

I would hardly call that an over-reaction and maybe if you do, you might need some psychiatric help or something

i'll go if you'll give me your doctor's number !

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:20:11 PM »

Well, I actually treat myself concerning psychiatric issues so...unless you want me to evaluate you I guess you better steer clear of my office

jro45 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 01, 2006, 06:32:03 AM »

I had the neck of a 416 Rem round come off and stay in the 416 REM. It was band new shell that I reloaded with a normal load. It cost me $20 to get it removed. I notifyed Remington and they said that scence I loaded it they wouldn't help me New or not. I own alot of Remington Rifles also.

tanoose · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2006, 02:30:16 PM »

I can honestly say that going back 10-15 years ago me and a buddy of mine were having lots of misfires from remington factory express ammo in 30/06 so we stayed clear of it and mostly reloaded and started using winchester brand but about five years ago when wal mart and k mart came to our area we started using it again
why not for $9.99 a box compared to $17 at your local shop. and i must say we have bought alot of factory ammo to try 25/06 , 30/06 45/70 308 and more and not only have i not had any problems but with all calibers in remington they have tested more accurate in my rifles then federal winchester and hornady. to the high energy nosler partitions of federal and those go for like $25 .00 a box . I know reccommend reminmgton factory express ammo to everyone .

Slamfire · « **Reply #18 on:** November 11, 2006, 06:12:02 PM »

I've never had factory cases split on the first firing, but have had soft primers that pierced with a matching number bolt in milsurps. One box of Norma 6.5 Jap, had two, the second folded inside out. I was thankful for the excellent gas handling of the Type 38 action.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #19 on:** November 12, 2006, 02:30:51 AM »

I guess I've had different experience.....I've reloaded most of my ammo over the years, but have shot a fair amount of factory ammo over the last five years or so. As a reloader I always pickup and inspect my brass. I've never had a misfire or noticed any case damage in any of the brands I've shot. I guess I'm lucky from what I'm reading here.

wncchester · « **Reply #20 on:** November 15, 2006, 12:13:55 PM »

I may be missing something here but it sounds like greatly undersized brass.

For it to split length-wise and then leave a 1/32" open crack demands that the original size of the chamber had to be significantly larger than the case. Consider that ALL "Improved" cases require the brass to be fired and stretched to fit new, larger chambers and it rarely splits the brass so I wonder how much too small the case was.

Or, was it perhaps even a different (smaller) cartridge case than what it's marked?

Preacherman · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:02:56 AM »

I have never had a Remington case split but I did find a 22-250 shell in a new box of 243 shells a few years ago. I know this has nothing to due with the subject just thought I would add it.They were Remington.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #22 on:** June 02, 2007, 05:02:28 AM »

I was sitting at the range shooting several guns and regulating a couple double rifles, when a guy i knew walked up with a Manlicher rifle chambered in 30-06. It was engraved and the stock was carved and looked to be all "top of the line" work... It had been given to him as a gift by one of the "royals" in Sweeden when he was there...

Anyway, he said he was going to sight in his "moose rifle" as moose season was about to open... He was a ways away from me, but i noticed the "bang" sounded odd as he fired... He fired several more rounds, and then came over to me and asked if i would look at his rifle, as it wasn't shooting for crap!!

I went over to have a look and the FIRST thing i noticed was, the "blown out" 308 Win. brass on the cement by his bench!!! After i pointed that out, off he went red faced for the "proper" ammo!!!

I think you can see about anything at the range if you spend enough time there!!

DM

saltydog · « **Reply #23 on:** June 15, 2007, 03:15:17 AM »

I have been lucky as out of thousands of rounds I have never experienced a Remington brass failure. I have examined alot of case failures but most of it has been surplus ammo of dubious quality to begin with. I no longer use many Remington ammo or brass case component products as Federal beats them on prices in manufactured ammunition and Lapua, Lake City and Winchester to meet most of my component case needs. The 44 spl. win comment earlier was out of line in my opinion for this topic area.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** June 15, 2007, 04:35:14 AM »

I have had factory loads not work from cor-bon !
my 40 glock will shoot 9mm and work the slide , don't shoot a mag. from a friend to see if it works ok in your gun ! yep we found the problem !
the best ammo problem i saw was a browning marked 3006 with a .270 bbl , had a 3006 chamber ! all the guy wanted was a new gun that would work right ! the clerk had to call to see if they would do it for him ! thats right it wasn't a gun shop !
a discount box !
this has nothing to do with Remington ! but it does ammo !

wncchester · « **Reply #25 on:** June 15, 2007, 06:19:06 AM »

Shootall - "the best ammo problem i saw was a browning marked 3006 with a .270 bbl , had a 3006 chamber !

Huh? Do you mean a barrel marked and chambered for .30-06 but had a .270 bore?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** June 15, 2007, 07:37:05 AM »

yes !
guy said it made a long hissing noise when he shot it ! all the pressure came out the relief hole ! strong action ! couldn't get another round to chamber ! why would he try ?
It was a jumbo sports in Richmond VA. they are out of business now !

papajohn428 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 16, 2007, 11:12:12 AM »

The only problem I ever had with Remington factory ammo was a bad piece of 45ACP brass that blew out over the feed ramp. Blew all the other rounds down thru the mag well, destroyed the magazine, and busted the wooden grips on both sides. Also peppered me in the face with bits of brass and powder. I've also seen ammo from other makers with inverted primers, no flash holes, cannelures on the wrong end of the brass, even inverted bullets! Make enough ammo, some of it's going to get out the door that shouldn't have, it happens to all of them. Which is why I inspect ALL the factory ammo I buy!

Papajohn

sniperVLS · « **Reply #28 on:** June 17, 2007, 01:05:06 AM »

Quote from: papajohn428 on June 16, 2007, 11:12:12 AM

The only problem I ever had with Remington factory ammo was a bad piece of 45ACP brass that blew out over the feed ramp. Blew all the other rounds down thru the mag well, destroyed the magazine, and busted the wooden grips on both sides. Also peppered me in the face with bits of brass and powder. I've also seen ammo from other makers with inverted primers, no flash holes, cannelures on the wrong end of the brass, even inverted bullets! Make enough ammo, some of it's going to get out the door that shouldn't have, it happens to all of them. Which is why I inspect ALL the factory ammo I buy!

Papajohn

I thought everyone did that but lately I'm beginning to think otherwise. Someone once complained and said it wastes time. We all know the saying; "an ounce of prevention....."

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:51:17 AM »

cannelures on wrong end , so thats what that was , not some speical case !