they lost me from ever buying another when the did the electric one. ill keep the one i have because its been paid off for years. that said i was never really into the culture. i ride alot with a jean jacket and rarely with leathers unless its real cold or a long trip. i dont do the faggy biker wave just like i dont do the jeep wave. other riders arent my family or friends. those titles are earned. all that said id betmy house if you grabbed a 1000 goldwing drivers off the street and a 1000 flh dresser drivers youd find more but buddies on the hondas.