Question for Guzzi or other lefties..

[Lloyd Smale]

its all word salad and calling a government democratic OR A republic is all in the way its used. just words that can be twisted to fit a definition whoever uses it wants it to. what we arent is communist or socialist. those trying to steer us in that direction need to be delt with. i posted it referring to a free America with less government control. not saying we are democrats which is a totally different thing that today is far from democratic and fits the definition of socialism if not communism.

[Bob Riebe]

Rome was one of he first Democratic Republics; when that ended so did the Roman Empire.

[ironglow]

 I believe one would find that Rome was a republic for their first five centuries.. (about 500 BC to 25BC)  .
    ..And an empire for their last five centuries (about 25BC to 475 AD)

[Bob Riebe]

I believe one would find that Rome was a republic for their first five centuries.. (about 500 BC to 25BC)  .
    ..And an empire for their last five centuries (about 25BC to 475 AD)

Repulic 509 BC-27BC, Unified empire 27BC-395AD.

In 376, a large migration of Goths and other non-Roman people, fleeing from the Huns, entered the Empire. Roman forces were unable to exterminate, expel or subjugate them (as was their normal practice). In 395, after winning two destructive civil wars, Theodosius I died. He left a collapsing field army, and the Empire divided between the warring ministers of his two incapable sons. Goths and other non-Romans became a force that could challenge either part of the Empire. Further barbarian groups crossed the Rhine and other frontiers. The armed forces of the Western Empire became few and ineffective, and despite brief recoveries under able leaders, central rule was never again effectively consolidated.

Sound familiar?

[ironglow]

I believe one would find that Rome was a republic for their first five centuries.. (about 500 BC to 25BC)  .
    ..And an empire for their last five centuries (about 25BC to 475 AD)

Repulic 509 BC-27BC, Unified empire 27BC-395AD.

In 376, a large migration of Goths and other non-Roman people, fleeing from the Huns, entered the Empire. Roman forces were unable to exterminate, expel or subjugate them (as was their normal practice). In 395, after winning two destructive civil wars, Theodosius I died. He left a collapsing field army, and the Empire divided between the warring ministers of his two incapable sons. Goths and other non-Romans became a force that could challenge either part of the Empire. Further barbarian groups crossed the Rhine and other frontiers. The armed forces of the Western Empire became few and ineffective, and despite brief recoveries under able leaders, central rule was never again effectively consolidated.

Sound familiar?

  Sure does, but of course those cagey Romans had already moved the capital of the Roman Empire from the city of Rome, to
   Constantinople (333 AD).

    ....And Old Constantine escaped to the city named for himself and went on to rule for a while.

   Today that city is called Istambul, and is part of modern day Turkey.