Graybeard Outdoors (GBO Reloaded)
Rifle and Optics Forums => Medium Bore Rifles => Topic started by: JesterGrin on February 10, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
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This is just a start as I need a few more funds for the action but I have two main parts lol. The Shaw 358 Winchester barrel in 1-14 twist heavy mag contour that was cut down from 24 inches to 20 inches. It has a .349 by .358 bore which should work great with cast bullets. I plan to coat the action and parts with Dura Coat Titanium Silver.
And a Boyd's Thumb Hole stock in Forest Camo. And yes the barrel channel will have to be opened up a bit :) . Also will add pillars to stabilize the puny rifle lol.
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You are gonna like that 358 Win when you are done! I have an 18.5" barreled 358 Win pump and I'm still getting
over 2400fps with a 200gr bullet! Lots of thump on deer too!
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As for bullets for the 358 Win I plan to use mostly my own cast bullets which are from BRP 360-220 GC mould.
For break in and maybe some hunting I will probably use the Speer 250 Gr Hot-Core as I would like to keep the same bullets for both the 35 Whelen and 358 Winchester. :).
As for brass I have a few hundred LC89 .308 MATCH brass on the way to change into the .358 Winchester. :).
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Kinda kickin this around, too. Can't make my mind up between the 358 or the 338 Fed. I have other rifles in both and they are both excellent cartridges. Glad to see ya over here on GBO JesterGrin. DP
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Dpe since you have both I am sure it is a hard decision.
I tend to like the 35's due to easy brass availability both in factory brass and easy to form brass. Plus the very wide selection of bullets from pistol bullets to rifle bullets from 180Gr to over 300Gr in both Cast and Jacketed.
It was not an easy decision for me to get away from the norm on cartridges and I have to say I read on the 358 Winchester and 35 Whelen till I almost went blind lol.
As at first on the 358 Winchester and the 35 Whelen I was just looking at info in reloading books which did not look all that impressive. But then I really took a hard look at the info and found that the loading pressures in say the Lyman 48th edition were kinda low for a modern rifle of around 49 to 50,000. But if you do reload you can load up to 60 to 62,OOO and with all of the great info on forums to confirm this along with some articles by say Chuck Hawks and others I have found that in this instance the 35 Whelen can be made from a mild rabbit getter to a Rampaging THUMPER. :) And all done in the Ole 30-06 sized case. Maybe they should have called the 35 Whelen the 35 Magnum and it would have sold like hot cakes lol. Who knows :)
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Well due to this. http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,227969.new.html#new
I have decided not to use a Marlin XS-7 Short Action for my build. Instead I purchased a Stevens 200 in a Short Action for my build. The only downside if you can call it that is I need to get another stock to fit the Stevens 200/Savage 10 Action.
Another plus is that Academy Sports and outdoors have them on sale for $179.00. Hard to beat that with a dimpled bat lol.
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??? Is that Academy sale still going on ? Which stores ?
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I picked mine up yesterday. So Yes I think it is. It will not show it on there web site since they are closing them out. So I would call your local Academy to ask.
Here you can find where they are. http://www.academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=company/locator/map&lnkSRC=Header
Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Lousiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
TEXAS
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Ok adding some info since this is going to be slow lol.
Due to the action change for the .358 Winchester build I got the Boyd's Ross FT Savage 10 Blind MAG Short Action Staggered Feed Limited Harvest. Since it will have pillars installed then it can be easily set up at that time for the 4.40 action spacing.
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I have a Savage 200 long action, is it hard to change it over to staggered feed? What parts do I need other than a stock to make this work?
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The Stock Came in. :) . This will be a long and slow thread but I will update when I have something. :)
And I also made a new bolt handle. :) .
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All Metal parts will be coated with Dura-Coat Titanium.
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Just a bit of an update on the Slow build. :)
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Looks like your moving faster on your build than most of us do!
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Rick I felt that HOT Poker lol.
Dangerous Dan is building it for me and I do not rush a good thing. :)
From the response I am not sure anyone is interested but as I said when I have something new on the build I will be sure to post it.
There is no recoil pad on it since the one supplied by BOYD'S is pretty useless. So he is going to use a Grind to fit Recoil Pad not sure which one at this time. But I do know it is Not going to be a limbsaver.
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looks like an awesome project! looking forward to seeing it done!
I this project really has my gears turning. A stevens 200 in 358win in a scout config w/ aimpoint micro (mounted on something like an XS scout mount) would make an awesome all around hunter....
How do you think the 358 would preform out of an 18" barrel?
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For the 18 inch barrel I would suggest reading this. http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,90295.0.html
It looks like he is doing very well. :)
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My 35 Whelen was supposed to be a 358 but the pieces for building the Whelen were easier to come by. I had a Mauser 98, a gunsmith with a reamer and the 35 Whelen barrel was on sale for $79. No regrets though the Whelen is a fine cartridge that I load "down" to top 358 levels. My 358 experience was in a old steel frame Browning BLR. I would give IMR 3031 first try if I had a new 358 to fool with. It worked great for me with bullets 200 to 250 grains in weight and wasn't bad in the powder compression arena. Unlike 748. I found I really didn't need any more speed than 3031 could deliver on big hogs and deer. I really liked the Remington 200 gr. round nosed corelokts on deer and the 250 gr. Speer on hogs.
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Any update? Have you shot it?
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Any update? Have you shot it?
Nope not as of yet. I hope to have it in the next few weeks if all goes well. Then I can mount a scope and take it to the range.
For the first outing I may try some Speer 250Gr Hot-Core since that is what I have on hand.
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Any update? Have you shot it?
Nope not as of yet. I hope to have it in the next few weeks if all goes well. Then I can mount a scope and take it to the range.
For the first outing I may try some Speer 250Gr Hot-Core since that is what I have on hand.
and ............. ?
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There will be an And as soon as I get it in my hands. Believe me I am more anxious than everyone else lol.
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TAC is reported to have almost magical powers in a .358.
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TAC is almost magical in the .358 Winchester. Tried it in my Ruger Hawkeye .358 Win after reading an article in "Handloader" magazine a while back. Worked up to their listed loads and got 2671fps with the 200gr HDY RN bullet. The 250gr HDY RN bullet went 2404fps. Both those loads exceed the factory loads tried in my .35 Whelen's. I'm not using those loads for hunting as our White-
tail deer don't need that much killing power. I just tried TAC as an experiment after reading that "Handloader" article.
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I had the same idea. Mine started life as a stevens 200 in .270 that was just not working. Here is what it turned into. 338-06 and love it. I hope yours does as well as this one. It is a true 1 holer at 100. :)
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Hey Jestergrin, I'm curious about your choice of bolt handle? It sure seems long to me. The way I use a bolt gun, I like the knob in my palm and a shorter bolt seems a little more natural. I also would not want to try and slide that long bolt handle in and out of a tight scabbard or gun case. I am not knocking your choice, just curious. ;) :P
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I had the same idea. Mine started life as a stevens 200 in .270 that was just not working. Here is what it turned into. 338-06 and love it. I hope yours does as well as this one. It is a true 1 holer at 100. :)
nice rifle
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Started as a Steven's 200 7mm-08 Center Feed then an Adams and Bennett barrel made by Shaw was purchased in 358 Winchester that was shortened to 20 inches with a Target Crown then all the parts were Bead Blasted and the gun was Duracoated with Titanium Silver. The Action Lugs were Trued and lapped and Blueprinted. Trigger was completely reworked and was set at 1 Pound 12 Ounces average. The BOYD'S Thumb Hole Stock in there limited Harvest had Pillars added and the action Saddles were Squared. The Stock was Bedded with Bedrock bedding.
The Scope and Rings will not remain. As the builder wishes to fire a few rounds through it to check his handiwork.
Not sure of a Scope yet but thinking about a Redfield.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/savage1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/savage2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/savage3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/savage4.jpg)
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Hey Jestergrin, I'm curious about your choice of bolt handle? It sure seems long to me. The way I use a bolt gun, I like the knob in my palm and a shorter bolt seems a little more natural. I also would not want to try and slide that long bolt handle in and out of a tight scabbard or gun case. I am not knocking your choice, just curious. ;) :P
RevJim I am also not sure about it. It is the first Bolt Handle that I have made. I wished it to be larger in case of cold hands or gloves.
And you are right in a case of probably any sort I will have to remove the bolt handle and pack it. But I will see how it works out. I can always make another one lol. :)
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I had the same idea. Mine started life as a stevens 200 in .270 that was just not working. Here is what it turned into. 338-06 and love it. I hope yours does as well as this one. It is a true 1 holer at 100. :)
nice rifle
Thank You Very Much.
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I had the same idea. Mine started life as a stevens 200 in .270 that was just not working. Here is what it turned into. 338-06 and love it. I hope yours does as well as this one. It is a true 1 holer at 100. :)
Your Rifle looks Nice.
You know the Choice Between the 338-06 and the 35 Whelen Drove me Flat NUTS. But I went with a 35 whelen. It sure SMACKS :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/Marlin%20XL-7%20build%20to%2035%20Whelen/35Whelen4.jpg)
But you know how things are I just had to build a Shorter Version so it is the .358 Winchester lol.
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Well, you should be able to load up to Weatherby power levels ( 74,000) as that long handle can certainly lever out any sticky cases, ha. I just had to tease you! Nice looking rifle.
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Well, you should be able to load up to Weatherby power levels ( 74,000) as that long handle can certainly lever out any sticky cases, ha. I just had to tease you! Nice looking rifle.
I know I know and it is Ok. And thank you for the compliment. :) I have a strong feeling that the .358 Winchester may end up being my main hunting rifle. :) That is not to say I do not like the 35 Whelen I do very much.
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Thanks for the comments about my 338. I scratched the 35 whelen itch this week when I bought a barrel for my Handi. I now get to play with both "bigger" 06s. Life is good!
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A 35 Whelen in a Handy Rifle. I would look for a very good recoil pad lol. Limb Saver might be the way to go on that one. And stay with the 200-225Gr Bullets.
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Great looking rifle. But whats with the bolt knob?
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A 35 Whelen in a Handy Rifle. I would look for a very good recoil pad lol. Limb Saver might be the way to go on that one. And stay with the 200-225Gr Bullets.
I haven't shot it yet but suspect you are right. I expect I will know that I have pulled the trigger on it. I think the 45-70 handi may have a bit more. I shot it today and it has a bite to it. :D
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Hey Jestergrin, I'm curious about your choice of bolt handle? It sure seems long to me. The way I use a bolt gun, I like the knob in my palm and a shorter bolt seems a little more natural. I also would not want to try and slide that long bolt handle in and out of a tight scabbard or gun case. I am not knocking your choice, just curious. ;) :P
RevJim I am also not sure about it. It is the first Bolt Handle that I have made. I wished it to be larger in case of cold hands or gloves.
And you are right in a case of probably any sort I will have to remove the bolt handle and pack it. But I will see how it works out. I can always make another one lol. :)
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A 35 Whelen in a Handy Rifle. I would look for a very good recoil pad lol. Limb Saver might be the way to go on that one. And stay with the 200-225Gr Bullets.
I haven't shot it yet but suspect you are right. I expect I will know that I have pulled the trigger on it. I think the 45-70 handi may have a bit more. I shot it today and it has a bite to it. :D
The Handy would not be my first choice for a 45-70 lol. But with trapdoor level loads it should work fine.
You did not mention which one you shot that had the bite to it?
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That is a pretty neat looking 358. Hope it shoots as good as my Whelen.
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A 35 Whelen in a Handy Rifle. I would look for a very good recoil pad lol. Limb Saver might be the way to go on that one. And stay with the 200-225Gr Bullets.
I haven't shot it yet but suspect you are right. I expect I will know that I have pulled the trigger on it. I think the 45-70 handi may have a bit more. I shot it today and it has a bite to it. :D
The Handy would not be my first choice for a 45-70 lol. But with trapdoor level loads it should work fine.
You did not mention which one you shot that had the bite to it?
I use plenty of .45-70 loads that are in the upper levergun range with no issues. I don't quite go into #1 level loads, but if the recoil is kicking you too hard, get a limbsaver slip-on. I enjoy shooting mine a lot better with one on there. hehe
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Very nice rifle Dan built for you! I'm going to be playing with the one he built for me this spring. I think it's going to be my "go to" bolt action. I'm sure it's going to shoot as good as it looks, Dangerous Dan does great work. What powder are you going to use for the 358? I've heard very good things about Ramshot TAC, and IMR3031 seems to be the old standby. Congrats on a beautiful rifle. DP
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A few updated pictures from Dan.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/Stevens3583.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/stevens3582.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/Stevens358.jpg)
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And a little load work up with the Sierra 225Gr as that is what he had on hand. :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/Stevens358Target.jpg)
I think I will have to name it Kick Stand for obvious Reasons lol. Dan had a good idea on that one lol.
Not sure on Powder as of yet. But I do have TAC, IMR-3031, H-322, IMR-4350 on hand.
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Looks like she shoots plenty good. I haven't loaded any 225 Sierra's yet but I like the 220 Speer and the 250 Speer hotcors a lot. It is easy to load the 250 gr. bullets up past the point of pleasant recoil in a Whelen. The 220 gr. class of bullet at 2400 fps are just right for my shoulder.
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Looks like she shoots plenty good. I haven't loaded any 225 Sierra's yet but I like the 220 Speer and the 250 Speer hotcors a lot. It is easy to load the 250 gr. bullets up past the point of pleasant recoil in a Whelen. The 220 gr. class of bullet at 2400 fps are just right for my shoulder.
Rick this one is a .358 Winchester not the Whelen :) .
Dan just likes the Sierra 225Gr as he says they prove to be accurate.
I do not plan to use them since I hunt and have not read many good reports on the Sierra 225Gr.
But I did get some Hornady 200 Gr FTX to give a try and also have some Speer 250Gr Hot Core as well as 250Gr Grand Slams. Along with a couple of cast bullet molds to give a try. :)
That is when I get the rifle in my hands lol.
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My 358 was a early BLR with the low combed stock and it was a bit buckish with 250 gr. bullets also. I tend to load my Whelen down to levels easy to reach with the 358 such as 2500 fps with 200 gr. bullets, 2400 fps with the 220's and 2200 fps with the 250's. I needed no more horsepower for many hogs and deer.
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It looks heavy !
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It looks heavy !
The Thumb Hole stock by Boyd's is pretty light with just a Savage Short Action. The only thing that might be heavy is the barrel which is a Heavy Mag Contour but it was cut from 24 inches down to 20 inches.
And the most important thing is I did not build this rifle for a child or a young boy. Along with it being a .358 Winchester it is no Pop Gun lol. Along with that fact that I will be sure to appreciate the extra barrel weight when I start shooting pills from 250Gr to 300Gr's. The 300's will be cast from the 358009. :)
I would like to add that I have a couple of Rem 600's in .243 Win and have fired the Rem 600 in .350 Mag of which the rifle I built here is pretty much the same in size except for the barrel weight of which I felt the Rem 600 was lacking in to make it a comfortable shooter. Along with a Thumb Hole stock of which helps in the ergonomics to even out recoil. Plus with the thicker barrel that is full floated I can if I so wish shoot longer strings much more consistent than one could with a thin barrel. Yes I know the only shot that really counts is the 1st one. But why not have something that has good handling characteristics along with consistent accuracy. That is what I was aiming for when I had this rifle built by Dangerous Dan and thus far I feel it has been accomplished very well indeed. :)
As you may or may not be able to notice that even though I am pretty much a novice at this stuff I thought long and hard about what I wanted from the completed rifle.
Which was a Handy Size along with a stable platform chambered in a great Ole Time all around good Hunting round the versatile .358 Winchester. :)
The only thing I am thinking on is that I might have made the Bolt Handle a tad long lol. But only some time will tell. :)
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That looks like a real fun rifle. I never would have thought it before I got one myself, but the .358 Winchester is just a by gosh fun gun to shoot.
I'm fairly certain that as much as I appreciate my Browning A-Bolt, my next rifle will be a Savage/ Stevens project, much like yours.
I like the bolt handle! Looks like a fantastic winter wolf/ coyote gun.
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i'm just starting on one thats starting from a mauser 98, that's going to be a 35 whelen or 35 whelen improved when i'm done. i thought about going with the 358 and building it up into a "scout" rifle also. not sure yet but probably going to go with the long cartridge and a 24 inch barrel. i have a leupold 2x7 sitting in my safe that will mate nicely with it.