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Ammo/Hand Loading Forums => Hand Loading for Rifles and Handguns => Topic started by: Chili on February 23, 2003, 10:23:41 AM

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Chili on February 23, 2003, 10:23:41 AM

I have 100 rnds of 44 mag loaded with

245gr SWC lead
Federal #150 primmers
20.2gr H110

is this charge to low?
why do they say not to reduce the loads with H110?

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Hud on February 23, 2003, 10:50:56 AM

You may get an improper burn on a light  loading and leave a bullet stuck in the barrel. It is the next shot that causes the trouble.  :eek:  

I would stick with what the books say for loading H-110, high or low.  Check out the Hogdon website. The will have the data you need.
I don't have the address off hand but I'll look for it.

Hud

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Hud on February 23, 2003, 11:05:31 AM

http://www.hodgdon.com  is the web site.

They list 24grs of H-110 for a 240gr jacketed bullet in 44 mag. They also have a warning not to reduce by more than 3% which would be .72 of a grain less in this case. So it looks to me like your loads may be too light.

Hud

Title: Light Loads
Post by: Reloader on February 23, 2003, 03:11:09 PM

I loaded up some light loads that ended up sticking the bullet in the barrel of my 357 magnum.  I was loading up some 38 special stuff.  I'm no expert by any means but one explaination I've read on this says that the light load does not ignite right away but the primer has enough poop to get the bullet moving to the barrel where it sticks and the rest of the powder when it ignites doesn't produce enough power to get it all the way through the barrel.  Not a good situation in any case, especially if you touch off the second round. :oops:

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Chili on February 23, 2003, 05:34:54 PM

Thank You for the information, I greatly appreciate it.

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Joe Kool on February 23, 2003, 06:05:55 PM

Ball powders control the burn rate by the surface of the grains being coated with a deterant coating. When the primers fires the pressure has the rise to a certain pressure in so many milliseconds to force the flame through the deterant coating. If the charge is too low the pressure does not built high enough, fast enough, for the flame to burn through deterant  coating. Erratic and incomplete ignition is the resault.  8)

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: .45 COLT on February 24, 2003, 01:46:07 AM

HS6 and LIL'GUN, the two handgun powders I use the most of, are both ball powders, but have no warnings attached. That 3% warning is the reason I don't use H110 or W296. I don't need anything that testy in my loads.

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Joe Kool on February 24, 2003, 06:17:02 AM

45Colt, if you want high performance loads in the 44 mag. or the 45 colt, ww 296 and H110 are the powders to use. They are not all that testy, just don't load under the minimum load listed in the manaul. With heavier bullets ww 296 and H110 will give the the highest velocity and the accuracy is usaully great. If you want low or mid-range loads there are better suited powders then ww296 or H110. I have not tried Lil' Gun, but I've read that it works very good, but it is still a ball powder and any ball powder should not be reduced below the minimum charge.  8)

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: .45 COLT on February 24, 2003, 05:16:20 PM

I'm getting great results with LIL'GUN in .45 Colt and .357 full house loads. Love that powder. HS6 does fair to good for lighter loads. I Use that powder because it's so versatile, anything from 9MM on up. H110 is probably fine, I just got hooked on LIL'GUN - comparable velocities with considerably less muzzle flash. Great stuff.

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Paul H on February 25, 2003, 01:45:39 PM

When I first started re-loading, I was concerned about using H110 due to the warnings about not downloading it.

What I have found is that H 110 is an outstanding powder for full patch loads, it is predictable and linear when used within loading guidelines, and produces consistant velocities and top notch accuracy, especially when pushing heavy bullets.  I think where it really shines is driving 300+ gr bullets in 44 and 45's, and 400+ gr in 475 and 500.

Title: h110, why no reduced loads?
Post by: bigbore on February 25, 2003, 07:52:43 PM

When I bought my first .44 mag S&W, I shot 5000 rounds out of it the first year, I started out using 24 grains of H110 then started experimenting with the loads and found that you can download it. I found that using a 180 grain or the 240 grain bullets that 18.5 grains of powder produces the smallest  groups at 25 yards. The books and containers state Do  Not download it under 24 grains but that can be done without any problems. H110 and 296 powders are about the same in performance and can be downloaded that much, i've been doing it for years with out any, any, problems what so ever.

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: Hud on February 27, 2003, 04:42:32 PM

Bigbore,
It's guys like you that get guys like me in trouble! :wink:  I also know a guy that shoots spirepoints in his 94 Win.  He will probably get by with it his whole life, he has so far. I try stuff like that and find I should have listened to the warning.

I don't mind experimenting and trying out new stuff after a little research, but I don't like to try stuff that has been found to cause trouble or is likley too. Just my opinion :money: . Good luck with your reduced power loads.

Hud

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: hunter on March 02, 2003, 08:05:13 AM

amen JOE COOL

Title: H110, Why no reduced loads?
Post by: globemountain on April 02, 2003, 06:51:36 AM

H110 also shines pushing 180gr XTP's!  I've gotten my best accuracy from my .44 Redhawk with a near Max. load of H110, a 180gr. XTP, and WLP.  5 shots in an inch and a half at 50yds. with a Burris 2X off sand bags.