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Offline bluebayou

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maybe stupid question peak pressure and semi autos
« on: October 21, 2006, 07:23:58 PM »
So I have been saving my "I quit smoking money" and am going to buy an SKS at first of the month.  If the rifle is designed for 123 grain bullets at say 40000 psi then will it still function reliably with 150's.  This is totally hypothetical as I have never had a semiauto and have not looked at an SKS really.  Maybe even a bad example. 

The point is do different pressures affect the reliability of autos?  The action is going to be in battery until the bullet passes the gas vent and the piston/whatever operates.........I don't see where bullet weight would really matter.  Any ideas?

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Re: maybe stupid question peak pressure and semi autos
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2006, 07:59:59 PM »
Chamber pressure, muzzle velocity, and bullet weight are only some of the considerations for semi and full-auto weapon functioning.   Several other factors enter into the equation including: operating temperature range (artic through desert conditions), recoil impulse, powder burning rate, gas port pressure, firing rate, weapon fouling/cleanliness/lubrication, and so on.

The SKS sturdy firing pin and extractor design minimizes the plague of auto mechanisms: broken firing pins, extractors, and extraction failures. .  Gun actions and ammunition are "tuned" for each other during development, testing, and acceptance.  Troop trials help make the weapon "soldierproof".  Only after much testing and use is the weapon then accepted for service use.

Thankfully, the SKS gas operating system is robust and designed for rough use and minimum maintenance, and can tolerate a large variation in ammunition quality and climatic extremes.  The same is true of the Kalashnikov series.  This is not necessarily true of other actions.  The US Military changed from an M1 173 grain bullet to the M2 150 grain bullet just prior to WWII because of concern that the heavy bullet ammunition battered the M1 Garand, for example.  That same M2 ammo remained type standardized for the rest of the M1 service period and remains standard today.  Using 165, 180, or 220 grain .30-06 commercial ammunition can cause malfunctioning, or even damage to the M1 Garand.  All this because the system was designed for use with 150 grain bullets at a muzzle velocity of about 2800-2900 fps.

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Re: maybe stupid question peak pressure and semi autos
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 05:38:26 PM »
Some autos are flexible. My SKS has never had a problem with different types of ammo. My BAR 30-06 seems happy with both the Federal Premium 165s I use for hunting and my handloads from 110 to 180 gr. A friend had a Remington that would only shoot 180 gr Winchester with any reliability.

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Re: maybe stupid question peak pressure and semi autos
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 02:53:10 AM »
In a semi-auto pressures play a very important part in the functioning of the rifle.  You need to use the faster burning powders to obtain the pressures nedded to function the action before the bullet leaves the barrel.  Not so with a bolt gun.  The SKS is one good example.  If the case is stuffed full of a slow buring powder the pressures may not be high enough to work the action.  In this case you are correct about bullket weight not being the deciding factor.

Another good example is the Hornaday Light Magnum ammo in a semi-auto.  This stuff is meant for bolt guns and may not work the action of a Remington, or other autoloader.

Yes, the SKS will function with 150 gn bullets and some guys like them just fine but I am willin' to bet they are using a fast burning powder rather than one with a slower buring rate.  JMHO.  Mikey.