New Soule sight [b]HELP![/b]

[Shoshoni]

Just tried out my new soule sight today and found out that it will not adjust down far enough for me to hit anything less than 240 yards. It hits dead on at 240 yards but hits way too high at 100 or 200 yards. I cannot see any way to get it any lower so am assuming that I will have to have a higher profile front sight. I have been saving up to get a new spirit level front sight but am wondering if they make a high profile spirit level front sight or something equivilant to that. Anyone have an answer to my dillema?  :cry:

[Shoshoni]

Thanks for the quick reply, but already tried that. When I turn it around the sight is even higher than before. It hits about 2 ft high at 200 yards!! :cry:

[RRS]

Shoshoni, Tell us what rifle and sights that you have. We should be able to help with a little more information.

[Shoshoni]

It is a Pedersoli Deluxe Sharps with 32"barrel. It came with a vernier creedmore rear sight and a front globe with 12 inserts. I just purchased the Pedersoli soule sight out of Cabelas with the intent of buying a spirit level front sight when I have the money. The original vernier sight worked just fine for shooting at the shorter ranges but wanted a better sight and everyone said buy a soule,..so I did and it is very good quality but cannot get it to elevate 'down' far enough to do me any good at the closer ranges. I am shooting a 20.1 535grain postell bullet of .459 diameter in front of 65grains of Goex FFg with a .030 fiber wad compressed before bullet seating. It is hitting the Chrono at about 1075 fps and is extremely accurate but need to be able to aim at closer ranges than 240 yards. Are the different inserts on the front sight able to help with distances? Sounds silly but thought I would ask just in case.

[Hot Foot II]

shoshoni,

If you are hitting 24" high at 200 yards I see no option except a higher front sight.  Installing apetures that have been altered would raise the center of reference so high in the sight assembly to make it at best
cumbersome to the eye.  The eye naturally wants to see an apeture centered in the front sight tube/body or whatever one chooses to call it.  Using a post and a 6:00 hold will help some.

To lower impacts just to the 200 yards a quick mental calculation says your sight should be at least 1/8" higher (.125") which is roughly 12 minutes of angle and if you are going to shoot at shorter range than that even higher still... probably another 1/16" or maybe a bit more.

When I get stuck in one of these front sight change ordeals I tend to figure out what I need as far as height goes and then add a bit more just to be sure.

This is one of the reason why bpcr rifle fans end up with boxes of unused hardware waiting for "someday" when the parts will be mounted/installed on something else.  I have a lever action .22 winchester mod 9422 that sports a tang sight from a Pedersoli rolling block and a Lyman front from something that I have long forgotten.  Never throw anything out.  You'll use it someday.  If you must give in to the urge to throw stuff out just send/donate it to me instead.  

Hoppy

[Shoshoni]

It was hitting 24" high at 200 when I turned the base around and that was worse than before so I put it back the way it was. I guess I didn't explain it very good, but I appreciate your response. Do you know where a person can get a slimmer base for the Pedersoli Soule tang sight? If I can get a thinner base it should bring it down enough to help. Thanks again. :grin:

[The Shrink]

Shoshoni

I have the sme problem with my 40-70BN 2.1" C.Sharps.  Nobody on Shooters.com seemed to have an answer other than shooting at a vertical target at 100 yards and looking for groop size rather than point of aim.  Doesn't work when thinking of shooting at shorter ranges regurlarly, though.  My fustration is that few if any front sights list their height, and there seems to be no standard way of talking about this.  Height above bore is dependent on thickness of barrel.  Height above base of dovetail seems the best, but I don't know any manufacturer who lists this.

[RRS]

Shoshoni

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, Couldn't log on to this site on Sunday for some reason.    Looks like your question was already answered. A taller front sight is what is needed but I'm sorry that I can't tell you which one.

[Shoshoni]

Hey pards, thanks so much for the help. I think I am going to send back the soule sight to Cabelas and see if the soule sight from Shiloh will fit and get low enough to do me any good. Would just buy the front globe from MVA but it took me a long time to get the money for the rear sight and it doesn't come close to the cost of the MVA front sight. Money makes the world go round and right now my world has come to a screeching halt!  Thanks again and I will keep you posted on how this comes out.

[Humboldt]

Shoshoni, Lyman makes a fairly decent globe front sight that is available in three different hights. They are available from Brownells and are fairly inexpensive. (around $30.) The nice thing about this sight is that several people make different inserts that will fit them. Mori

[The Shrink]

Humbolt

Yeah, but they only make it with a 3/8" dovetail, won't fit a Sharps!  I know, I tried.

[Sharpsman]

The 3/8" dovetail Lyman Globe Front sight will work on your Pedersoli! Get this one.....and specify the next to lowest height! Here it is:

http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/506409

[Roy Cobb]

Try using the Base from a Pedersoli Long/Mid Creedmore it sets the staff back further and thus a fraction lower and may enable you to use a long soule at 100 with the carriage at the bottom. I use the Long Credmore base with a Soule staff and it works fine at 100 with a 34 inch barrel and 45-110

[jeff]

Shoshoni

Is there any chance that you could shim the front sight?  I know it depends on how the front is attached.

That would be the quickest way (and cheapest) to solve your problem.

I don't do highlevel math and the accurate answer would depend upon your sight radius and a formula that I don't remember.  But for starters, I'd suggest a .01" or .02" shim under the front to raise it.   Then evaluate the result.

jeff

[Charlie Detroit]

As for the math...messing about with similar triangles should do the trick...always worked for me.

[Charles Vail]

Rather than buy a new sight if its hard to find the proper dovetail size thats tall enough why not have a base made that fits in the dovetail and has another dovetail cut into it? This would effectively raise the height of the front sight! Any good machinist could make this little block of steel with a dovetail cut into it quite easily. :eek:

[Shoshoni]

Thanks so much fellas, I am evaluating all of the suggestions posted and will try to make the correct decision. Trying to get this all done on the least amount of $$$ but realize that I need to do what is best for my accuracy. thanks again.

[Timberlake]

Shoshoni,

I have a Pedersoli 45-90, 34 inch barrel.  Dixie model w/cheekpiece.  I replaced the original sights with a mid range Pedersoli Soule and a Pedersoli front globe w/spirit level.  I think I have less than $250 in the whole shebang.
The nice part is that when shooting at 100 yds the rear sight is set on "O".  The bullet is 535 Lyman Postell at 1250.  How much better can it be? TL