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Offline gs50401

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180 gr. cast in 38 sp. cases.
« on: October 27, 2006, 10:41:17 AM »
 I would like to load 180 gr. cast in cheap once fired 38 sp. cases.     I do not own any 38sp. firearms only 357's.  1400 fps out of a 94c would be good enough but maybe more would be better. In the woods I do not want to have to worry about finding brass.. My 94C has become my big boy's .22.

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Re: 180 gr. cast in 38 sp. cases.
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 04:45:08 PM »
I have shot a few hundred 180 cast in my SP101 38 Special. I got my load data from the IMR Handloaders Guide (adapting data for 200 grain cast) as well as Sierra's data for the 38 which includes 180 grain jacketed bullets, data which I think can be useful with cast bullets of like weight. I know heavyweights are not usually standard fare for the 38. In my SP I find that the heavier weights regulate better with fixed sights for a bit more range. I use my 38 revolver as my 22 handgun in lieu of the SP of that chambering which is no longer offered.

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Re: 180 gr. cast in 38 sp. cases.
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2006, 04:23:37 AM »
gs50401:  Since you do not own any 38 Special chambered revolvers but only use loaded 38 Specials in your 357 magnums, then you may wish to think about something Skeeter Skelton wrote about years ago.

If you are not familiar with the name, he is one of the 'known' gunwriters of yor (back when).  He used 38 special cases in his 357 magnums when magnum brass and magnum ammo was hard to come by (50's and 60's).  Skelton would take a 38 special case and with whatever bullet weight he used he would split the difference between the max 38 special loading and the max 357 mag loading for that bullet and that is what he would charge his cases with.  The loads were higher pressured but accurate and easy on the gun. 

If I owned just 357 magnum revolvers I would continue to follow the same practice but it is too easy to confuse the loads and hurt a good 38 special in the process.  I followed his practice for a long time and used that type of load when I used a friend's round butt Model 19 snubbie to shoot metallic silhouette.  At that time I loaded 158/160 gn cast swc slugs.  Pressure levels were about the same as with the 357 mag and I could easily 'dong the gong' at 100 m with that snubbie.  Later I went to a heavier 200 gn slug, they actually shot more easily and were very accurate, but I would have to wait for the darn gong to stop swinging so wildly after the first hit before I could take the second shot.  With the 158 gn slugs the gong would swing but not as wildly and you could time your shots to hit it on the back swing - it was a hoot. 

The Lyman Manual should have load data for the 195/200 gn slug, and you should be able to find similar information in Winchester's loading data.  HTH.  Mikey.

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Re: 180 gr. cast in 38 sp. cases.
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2006, 04:32:44 PM »
I get good results with 200gn cast in my 1894 CBC in .38spl.
Such a heavy bullet runs against conventional wisdom but is accurate.

Projectiles are Ausssie Hawkesbury River flat points hard coated

Bob

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Re: 180 gr. cast in 38 sp. cases.
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2006, 08:40:53 AM »
Mikey, Skeeter was my favorite writer. I always preferred reading from people who lived the life rather than  :)the backyard commandos or the range only experts.

Thanks to everyone for their replies. Long live the 1994.

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Re: 180 gr. cast in 38 sp. cases.
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2006, 04:42:46 PM »
GDAY FRIEND... I have been loading 190.gr hardcast bullets with 2 grn. of red dot for my old colt revolver for a some time now  ........  im loading for 38 S&W  ...  I think its a little shorter than 38 special  ...... they shoot real well with enough lead to make a thump..............davey
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Re: 180 gr. cast in 38 sp. cases.
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 01:03:35 AM »
Davey:  That load you brew up is pretty close to the old British 38-200, which was indeed a thumper with a 200 gn bullet at all of 600'/sec out the barrel of those old Webleys and their American counterparts by S&W and Colt.  The Brits used that cartridge during WWII and it worked on the battlefield, so that should be all the 'thump' ya might want.  Mikey.