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Offline RKBAHolsters

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Scope and Mount Recommendations for a .338??
« on: April 07, 2003, 02:58:58 PM »
I'm looking at a Browning A-Bolt in .338 Mag.  It has Williams adjustable sights.

This gun will be used for Elk hunting, and for Moose, Caribou and ?? in Canada or Alaska in the future.

I'm thinking about a quick detach scope mount so that if the need arises the scope can be removed and the open sights used.

First question, will the quick detach mounts be strong enough on the .338?  If so, what manufacture?

Second, what power of scope would you recommend?  And why?

Thanks,

Steve

Offline Matt in AK

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2003, 05:39:48 PM »
Steve,
I use a Leupold VX-II mounted with Leupold QR mounts and have been very pleased.  The scope has done well in temperature extremes (not much below freezing but very quick changes) and wet weather.  Nice clear optics.  I too like detachable scope mounts so if I need to follow up in close quarters I can take the scope off.  I've shot, taken off the scope, shot again, put the scope on, and shot again -- at 100 yds the shot group moved under and inch using the scope.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2003, 09:40:21 PM »
I don't have the QR mounts on my 338 Winnie, would be sort of pointles since I don't have iron sights. :) I do know that Talley makes some good QR mounts and so does Leupold, which Matt mentioned. My 338 wears the Leupold Vari-X II 3x9x40 and between the two, I probably have 350 rounds through the gun with no problems whatsoever. It's my main go-to gun every year. Plus, it's my favorite one! :grin:

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2003, 04:38:30 AM »
I like Leupold scopes on hard kicking rifles because they seem to have greater eye relief than other makes.   The .338 is a hard kicker.   With insufficient eye relief,  there is great danger of being whacked in the forehead  with the scope as it recoils.  People have sustained concussions from this and  being hit with the scope should be altogether avoided rather than simply being  taken in stride.    

I once had the great "pleasure" of shooting a custom .458 that belonged to the actor Steve Seagall.  Seagall was the high bidder ($250,000 as I recall) on  this  Safari Club International  rifle that  represented the efforts of half dozen or so different gunsmithing artisans. It was a beautifully made piece. Unfortunately, it was a combined effort  of many artisans and no one seemed to have clearly grasped the concept of a hard kicking big bore rifle.    

Seagall's  gunsmith, sitting at the bench next to me,  was at the range sighting it in. He noted my interest and invited me to try it.  My enthusiasm faded pretty fast when I sat down behind it. The stock on this glittering .458  show piece was the same size and design as you would find on a garden variety .270.  The stock was too light, too thin, and way TOO  short. The scope was a fancy European type with what I considered a dangerously short eye relief.  

I'm over six fee tall and it was quite a feat....trying to press the butt of a too short stock  securely agaisnt my shoulder and at the same time craning my head back as far as possible so as not to have the scope smash into my forehead when the rifle recoiled. One shot hit at 3:00 on the edge of the black.   The second shot missed the target completely. I closed my eyes as I touched of the third one and to my surprise it was dead on.   Amazing.

I said  "Thanks," handed it back and counted my blessings that I didn't get whacked.

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2003, 04:54:51 AM »
I used the Leupold one piece QR base and Leupold rings on a 300WinMag.  It worked beautifully.  This base has little levers that have to be hit with a hammer to get them to move once it is locked in place.  I kept a little rubber hammer in my shooting box just for this reason.  It was definitely a solid mount, but wouldn't be exactly ready to remove in the field.  I had the thought that if I flew somewhere I could take the scope off and keep it in my regular luggage ... less chance of getting messed up.  Never did take that dream elk hunt so it wasn't really necessary!

Anyway, this setup held up to recoil and was removable.  Hope this helps!!  ... Crayfish

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2003, 06:11:36 AM »
I have a .338 in a Winchester M70 Classic Stainless.  I have a Burris Black Diamond 3x-12-50mm (with a 30mm tube) in Warne Maxima rings and bases.
Warne Maxima rings and bases are all steel and very heavy duty.  They are heavy, but super strong - like Talley rings and bases.

I have never had any problems with these rings.  In fact, I have them mounted on several of my guns and highly recommend them for the big cannons.

Also, you can get the Maxima rings in either permanent or detachable format.

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2003, 09:38:46 AM »
480 Ruger,

I have Leupold QD rings and mounts on my three of my big bores(a .375 H&H, .375 Weatherby and my .416 Rigby)  and they work great.  As far as scopes go remember "you get what you pay for".  For me I choose either Burris, Leupold or Redding.  Weaver used to make a good scope but I got burned by them a number of years ago and I don't trust them anymore.  Lawdog
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2003, 08:56:12 PM »
I am torn between a leupold 2-7 or fixed 4x for my whelen, and i think i have the detachable mounts decided.  I considered burris zee's, warne, leupold qrw, and now i think i am actaully going to use weavers.  They have a new design that screw down on both sides and eliminates the tilt you get when tightening the rings.  They have a stellar reputation for being stout, they are detachable and hold zero when you remount as well as any other type that use weaver bases, and they are much less expensive.  The only complaint i have heard other than the tilt issue is they look ugly.  Oh well, they work.  Ill put the extra money towad something else.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2003, 03:24:04 AM »
For the whelen, either the 2x-7x or fixed 4x would work just fine.  As a personal preference, though, I would get the 2x-7x.

Zachary

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2003, 04:52:48 AM »
I have a 338 Win Mag. It's the Stainless Classic by Winchester. The scope is a Leupold Vari-X II, 3x9. The bases are Warne, and the mounts are Weavers. I know that some don't like the looks of them, but I have never had them fail. Ever. I have had Leupold mounts fail. The windage screws than mount to the base on the rear mount sheared off the indents. This was on a 1895 Marlin shooting heavy loads. Since then I've gone to all Weaver mounts on all my guns. They are also easy to take off in the field if need be. Re-mount them and your zero will be very close to where it was originally.

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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2003, 02:25:21 AM »
Use the leupold Duel Dovetails.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2003, 06:37:51 PM »
i shoot a 338 in a Ruger M77 Mk2. It comes with rings to mount, has no iron sights. I use a Bausch&Lomb elite 4200 2.5x10. This rifle has some recoil and I believe only top end scopes with life time warrenties will hold up.
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2003, 06:57:46 PM »
Ended up getting a different Browning A-Bolt, that did not have opens sights.

Mounted a Nikon 3-9X40 on it in Leupold mount and rings.  Will probably upgrade it to either a Nikon Monarch or a Leupold down the road.

Steve

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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2003, 04:48:48 AM »
Ive hunted moose and Elk and would suggest a 3x9 or 2.5x10.  I do not think a 2x7 would be adequate. The reason I say this is that in British Columbia there are various regulations on antler points, such as two tines or less and trie palm bulls.  On Elk there are three and six point bulls. I realize that a spotting scope or binos should be used to ID your animal, but that is not always posible and you will find that after 200 yards you may need more that 7 power to ID your animal with any degree of confidance necessary to make an ethical and legal judgement.  
While I have not hunted caribou, it is my understanding that long shots are often the rule rather than the exception.  
Finally as you well know a 338 kicks hard so get the best rings and scope from a top manufacturer.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2003, 07:14:37 AM »
I just scanned quickly through this and did not see one of my favorite scopes mentioned. I have a Bushnell (B&L) Elite 3200 2-7x on my Sav 99. This has been a very good scope for me. The Raingaurd coating works very well and the optics are very good. Sean
BTW, my 99 is a .358 Win so this scope has seen it's share of recoil. Sean

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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2003, 01:11:09 PM »
One scope that doesn't get mentioned much, but which I really like is leupolds M8 2.5x compact.  I have one that had a premier reticles 4a reticle fit two, and just adore it.  Even with its relatively mild magnification, I can shoot 5/8" groups with my 350 Rigby.  It is a light and tough scope, and the mild magnification keeps me from being tempted to make shots longer then I ought to.  

I've got an old pair of weaver rings and bases, and they handle the recoil fine, same as a 338 mag, 250 gr @ 2700 fps.  They don't zero perfectly when replacing the scope, but are within an inch at 100 yds.