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Offline dct73

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Peeps vs Scope
« on: December 31, 2006, 12:20:36 PM »
I've been shooting my 444P with a 2-7 power scope on it for a few years.  I recently decided to try a Williams peep sight on it and was wondering how much accuracy i can expect to lose?  If it helps my last trip to the range with the scope was putting three shots in about and 1 3/8" at 100 yards and about 3" at 200 yards.

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Re: Peeps vs Scope
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2006, 02:32:13 PM »
Roughly, you can double your figures.  Unless you are shooting ground squirrels or prairie dogs at 200 yards, it shouldn't  make any difference.  Thetype of front sight and the size of the aperture in the peep sight will also make a difference in how accurately the rifle shoots.  The rifle will be a lot more comfortable to carry without the scope unbalancing it and keeping you from gripping it at the center of gravity.  Let us know how you make out.

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Re: Peeps vs Scope
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2006, 02:43:53 PM »
Hello,
Oldtimer has nailed it with his reply. I've got an 1895g and had a scope on it for a few years. It would shoot under 1.5" groups at 100 yards.
This past year I installed a Williams WGRS peep sight and a green fiber optic front. With this system I can keep my shots under 3" at 100 yards and I'm tickled to death with it. I got a nice big doe this year with this gun and made a great shot, hitting her right behind the shoulder.
This gun sure is nice to carry!

Good Shooting!
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Re: Peeps vs Scope
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2007, 02:52:04 PM »
Thanks guys.  That's just what I wanted to know.  So how do you like that fiber optic front?  What does it look like when making the sight picture?  I am considering the fiber optic front also, but am concerned that it will be kinda big with poorly difined edges making it difficult to shoot accurately.  So when sighting, just how big does that fiber optic front look?  I saw another blade that caught my eye too.  Just a flat top front blade with a white stripe up the middle.  That's the way I'm leaning right now.

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Re: Peeps vs Scope
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2007, 01:02:58 AM »
depends on your eyes. When i was younger id could easily shoot 2 inch groups at 100 yards with a peep and some even better. Ive watched guys with m14s do the same at 200 yards with a peep. Anymore with my tired eyes about 3 inch is my best.
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Re: Peeps vs Scope
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2007, 02:56:57 AM »
There is a thread on the Marlin forum above covering the same topic.  I posted a picture of my Williams with green front mounted on an 1894C.  The picture is a little out of focus, but it'll show you the general idea.

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Re: Peeps vs Scope
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 10:21:59 AM »
Advantages of the telescope:
1-Sighting is in single focal plane (nothing to line up).
2-Light gathering. Might give you more shooting time at first light and dusk.
Disadvantages:
1-1Heavy-You can add about 1# to the weight of the rifle for scope rings and bases. Reduces "fast handling qualities. .
2-Fragile, more parts, etc. (Most scopes today are strong enough as we use them. )

Iron sights have to have the right set up. Must be ghost ring rear/ post front. Not a bead for front. Because of the curve at the top of the bead, it cannot give you as much elevation precision as a post. (Look at military sights.)Just get a wide enough post. Mine iis .100 wide with a white stripe for fast acquisition (See XS Sights).

If you remember your high school physics, you know that when light passes through a circle, the highest intensity of that light is in the center of a circle. The human eye when looking through a circle centers its focus on the place where there is the hightest intensity of light. In this case the center of a circle. Thus, the proper way to use a peep (ghost ring)is to look throught the peep, pick up the front sight and put the front sight on the vital zone of your target. Because of what has been stated above, the front sight will automatically be centered in the center of the post.

Because of this, the size of the aperture is relatively unimportant (within reason). A smaller aperture will give you a sharper focus, but what you really need in the field is a lot of light gathering, which you will get from the larger aperture. (Thre aperture on my rifle is .190),

What you do give up with the peep is light gathering. This might cost you 15 minutes of legal shooting time at the beginning and end of the day.
If you can get closer, get closer
If you can get steadier, get steadier.

A telescope helps you see; it does not help you hold and squeeze.-Jeff Cooper

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Re: Peeps vs Scope
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 08:27:47 AM »
Technically your rifle will loose no accuracy. Your aiming ability will be less with a peep than a scope.