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Offline Syncerus

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10ga slug mould?
« on: October 31, 2006, 12:19:51 PM »
Does anyone have an idea where I could find one?

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 03:19:50 AM »
Check NEI, I got mine from them.  But I dont cast yet so Im relying on freinds and only have a few right now.  NEI's websit is NEIHANDTOOLS.com  The 10 gauge molds are on page 15, I think.  I got a doulbe mold to have both sizes.  I wish I wolud have spent the extra to have a spot for round balls as well.  His molds arent cheap but I couldnt find anybody else cutting molds and for what its worth they were friendly.  If I recall correctly thsy would also do custom molds; but as Im just getting into this I was (still am), over whelmed by all of this. My next project is brass cases.........

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 04:15:03 AM »
Thank you for the info; it looks like the way to go.

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2006, 06:22:09 AM »
I'm in contact with NEI and they seem very helpful. They asked me what diameter slug that I wanted to cast. I thought the slug diameter for a 10 ga would be a standard size. The shotgun is a smooth bore (try finding a rifled 10 ga barrel). Does anyone know what size slug I should be looking to cast?

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2006, 08:03:36 AM »
The first thing you need to do is determine the bore diameter of your barrel.  Then decide how tight you want the slug to fit.  use a micrometer or have a gunsmith chech it for you.  Im pretty sure NEI will custom cut a mold to your specs.

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2006, 10:34:27 AM »
Does anyone know how tight the slug should fit? What is normal for 12 ga slugs?
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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2006, 11:54:58 AM »
Update: the Lyman 12 ga mould is .705. The nominal cylinder bore for 12 ga is .727, so .705 is about .003 under an improved modified choke. I can't find a definite number for improved modified on a 10 ga, but cylinder is .775 and full is .740, so IM should be about .749 or so. I figure anything under .750 should be safe.

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2006, 02:35:41 PM »
Is IM what you gun is choked to?  If you cast from pure lead then your numbers should work well.  If you not sure of your bore measurements have a smith do it for you.  I think in the long run you'll be much happier if you match the moulds to your gun.  Sounds like a neat project, keep us posted!

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2006, 05:19:23 AM »
NEI mould #400 has a nominal diameter of .740 and a nominal weight of 725 grains.
NEI mould #401 has a nominal diameter of .746 and a nominal weight of 840 grains.

I assume that they'll both cast slightly over, but don't think it's a problem. My shotgun has choke tubes and I think it easier to fit the slugs to the bore using the choke tubes than by resizing the slugs. It looks like I can start with an IC choke and work my way down to modified or maybe even improved modified, gradually tightening the gap between the slug and the barrel.

The #401 single is $85 in aluminum, or $105 in iron, if I read the catalog correctly. I'm leaning toward the #401 mould at the moment.

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2006, 08:43:49 AM »
Question: wouldn't it make more sense to alloy the lead with a bit of tin rather than cast straight lead?
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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2006, 10:02:23 AM »
Just out of curiosity, what are you going to shoot that needs a 10g-rifled slug? :o
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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2006, 10:28:02 AM »
Tigers. I've got tigers in my garage.

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I'm really going to use it for a short range boar gun.
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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2006, 05:47:17 PM »
As I sit here, theres a copy of "Shooting the British Double Rifle" by Wright in front of me.  He has a very good chapter about Paradox guns, which were basically shotguns with only the final couple of inches rifled.  They were able to shoot shot as well as special conical bullets accurately out to 100 yards.   Sound familiar???  The rifling was VERY slow about 1 in 36 inches.  The slugs veried from slightly over sized to slightly under sized.  They were almost ALWAYS very soft.  I bought my mold from NEI while my barrels were being shortened and quessed what the bore size would be after 6 inches was cut off.  If I remember correctly, I bought #402 and #403 in the same mold.  My barrels "mic" out to .770 and the slugs about .790, with a hard mixture.  My next step is to try a softer casting.  Honestly Im not sure if the mold is too big, or if I need to try different lead mixtures that will shrink more as it cools.  Casting is new to me, and Im relying on friends for the actual pouring right now, so Im using their "lead".

Syncerus, get a copy of Wright's book.  Its the best Ive found on Paradox guns.  Before you buy the mold Id also look into choke tubes.  It might be worth having tubes made to your specs before you buy the mold.  Also you might want to have a mold made to the original designs.  Let me know.

Ranger J, the Paradox guns were used like a Express gun at shorter ranges.  They were lighter then the heavy Express guns because the bullet didnt have to "fight" the rifling the entire length of the barrels.  They were popular in India for Tigers ect and Africa for dangerous stuff as well.




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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2006, 05:36:25 AM »
That’s the trouble with you kids today.  You’re always over gunning everything.  When I was younger we had to shoot them with .22s.  Did a good job too; you don’t see any of them around much anymore. ::)
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2006, 05:58:33 AM »
The words "practical" and "hunting" rarely collide in the same sentence ...

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Re: 10ga slug mould?
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2006, 06:56:03 AM »
just in case you didn't know here are some factory loaded slugs......

www.grafs.com (Graf & Sons)
FED SLUG 10ga 3.5" MAGd 1.75oz HP-RIFLED
Item Number: FDF103RS

I'm thinking of buying this one:   Pardner® Turkey Gun  10 Gauge (SB2-MAB) and those Federal slugs just to see my hunting buddies faces when I pull it out of the case.