If you don't like lots of recoil in a 12 ga. slug, you've got to try these! I've been using these since they came out, and because of the mild recoil, I am much more accurate in my shooting. Today I took a nice little half rack buck at about 30 yds. Shot was centered in the ribs, deer traveled 10 yards then fell over.I've never had one stop in a deer yet, upon inspection,you'd swear I shot him with a golf ball. Anyone else use these?