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Offline Sourdough

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Scope Mount Gave Way
« on: July 19, 2006, 02:25:46 PM »
When I bought my Night Force scope, the people at Sportsman's Warehouse mounted it on my .338-738 Weatherby  using Leopold Rings and bases.   Seven rounds later they came apart.  The rear ring came off the base, and the front base sheared the screws off.  I'm upset, I'm boiling, for me that's a lot. 
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2006, 04:44:50 PM »
  I've seen something like this happen before, more than once....  On one it was a 460 Wby., and it sheared the foot right off the front ring.

  It's why i always use Weaver steel tip off rings on my rifles...  No, they don't look as good, but they are a lot stronger!!!

  I believe Leupold recomends you use there mount that allows useing two of there "front" rings now for heavy recoiling rifles...  It won't help with screws shearing off though.

  I'll stick with my Weavers..

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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2006, 06:12:39 PM »
I now use Badger Ordnance rings and bases on everything. They are pricey but well worth it(I try and get them used on other forums in order to save a few $$).
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2006, 08:59:58 PM »
OK, I'm cooled down now.  Leopold and Wearn are the only ones that make Weatherby bases.  Going with a Waren (Weaver Type)Base.  And  Leopuld Rings made for the Weaver type bases.  Have to have the holes drilled out and retapped with larger screws put in to handle the heaver recoil.  Had words with the gunsmith, he said nobody needs a scope that big, that the Night Force was too big and heavy for any gun.  He is very openionated says no body needs to be shooting over 300 yards.  If their waqs another gunsmith in town that I trusted I would have taken it to them.  But the others went out of business and moved.  This guy is reputed to be the best, just hard to get along with.   
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2006, 01:34:55 AM »
  Hard to say how tight Sportmans Warehouse guy got those screws doesn't take much if one screw isn't right kind of chain reaction.    I think  not getting the bases tight may of caused the problem as I would of taken that rifle back to Sportmans Warehouse and see what they say or at least they should have pull with Leupold to foot the bill for fixing those holes.  I shoot a
30-378Wby with Leupold bases and rings and it takes alittle bit to get those base screws tight  I double tapped the screw and got alittle more turn so maybe that why I haven't had a problem.   Sorry to heard about that.
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2006, 06:48:16 AM »
Quote from: Sourdough on July 19, 2006, 08:59:58 PM
OK, I'm cooled down now.  Leopold and Wearn are the only ones that make Weatherby bases.  Going with a Waren (Weaver Type)Base.  And  Leopuld Rings made for the Weaver type bases.  Have to have the holes drilled out and retapped with larger screws put in to handle the heaver recoil.  Had words with the gunsmith, he said nobody needs a scope that big, that the Night Force was too big and heavy for any gun.  He is very openionated says no body needs to be shooting over 300 yards.  If their waqs another gunsmith in town that I trusted I would have taken it to them.  But the others went out of business and moved.  This guy is reputed to be the best, just hard to get along with.   

well gee whiz, some of us had better stop right now huh?  :o

 ;D

too big and heavy for any gun? is this the thing the size of a telescope?

I bet my super sniper is as big and yet it fits the bill perfectly.

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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2006, 12:34:38 PM »
Does this too big & heavy stuff apply to NFL players & 80 pound  Elderly Women as well?

Nothing over 300 yards, does that apply to Target/Varmit shooters & once a year 50 yard pie plate
shooters as well?

Too bad the only gunsmith in town is an idiot!

Badger Ordinance was allready mentioned, I would sure try www.seekinsprecision.com
for the rings.
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2006, 01:20:00 PM »
Quote from: nomosendero on July 20, 2006, 12:34:38 PM
Does this too big & heavy stuff apply to NFL players & 80 pound  Elderly Women as well?

Nothing over 300 yards, does that apply to Target/Varmit shooters & once a year 50 yard pie plate
shooters as well?

Too bad the only gunsmith in town is an idiot!

Badger Ordinance was allready mentioned, I would sure try www.seekinsprecision.com
for the rings.

Why is it that we agree on everything?

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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2006, 03:52:07 PM »
Great minds think alike!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2006, 03:16:34 AM »
Have you checked out Apel to see what they offer?

OK they  are not cheap but then again they have a reputation that is second to none  ;)
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2006, 03:10:15 PM »

Sheared the screws off?  One reason Ilike the Ruger scope mounting system!
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2006, 06:08:26 PM »
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Sheared the screws off?  One reason Ilike the Ruger scope mounting system!

  Too bad it comes with a Ruger under it... 

  hahahahaaaa  sorry man, i just couldn't help myself......

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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2006, 04:49:16 AM »
Had the same thing happen with my Tikka T3 .338 WIN MAG - It sucked.  I had the Warne one piece rings put on, problem solved.  Sold the rifle on here a while back, wish I hadn't - but take a good look at Warne.
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2006, 10:40:19 AM »
Going with the larger 8x40 screws instead of the smaller 6x48 should help a lot. Could put Acrglass or JB Weld epoxy under the bases to assist in shear stress.
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2006, 11:39:02 AM »
You didn't give the weight or objective lens diameter of the scope, but I think your gunsmith made a good point.  Hard kicking rifles, like a .30-.378 Weatherby, put a lot of stress on scope mounts.  The bigger and heavier the scope, the more stress on the base and rings. 

Think of recoil force like the acceleration force of a pickup.  If you're carrying something in the truck bed, when you accelerate, the cargo will slide towards the back of the truck bed.  What's going to hit your tailgate with more force: a 50 lb sack of dog food, or an upright piano?  The piano's a lot heavier and more likely to break your tailgate if you punch the accelerator.  Same goes for big, heavy scopes.

You don't see 4-12X50mm scopes on big-bore, dangerous game rifles.  There's a reason for that.  It's your rifle; you can do what you like.  But don't be too surprised that you have to beef up the scope mounts (the gunsmith should have pointed that out to begin with).
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2006, 01:46:18 PM »
Sodbuster:  The .338-378 cartridge is one of the hardest recoiling cartridges, and the Night Force 6X15X50 is undoubtedly the heaviest scope made.  But the combination is in my openion unbeatiable.  And now at least I think I have the right rings and bases connecting them.  So far so good.  I've now put 20 rounds through it with no problem.  I'm now hitting a 4" target at 400 yards consistantly.  Waiting for the river to freeze so I can get a farther distance with my targets. 
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Re: Scope Mount Gave Way
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2006, 08:20:31 AM »
+1 for Warne
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