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Offline theoldman

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nylon 66
« on: December 29, 2006, 02:16:05 PM »
Got a new toy for Christmas and need a little help on this one. First nylon 66 for me and am having trouble with the gun trying to put more than one bullet in the chamber at once, one in the chamber and one jamed up against the back of the one already in the chamber.  5 out of 8 times it did this yesterday.I have never read anything bad about this rifle so this malfunction was a suprise to me. Thanks in advance for any help on this. HAVE HAPPY AND SAFE NEW YEAR.
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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2006, 05:08:45 PM »
Can't say I have ever seen a malfunction on a Nylon 66 and I've shot a lot of ammo thru them and have several friends who have done the same. I'd ask Jerry on the Gunsmithing forum, he or one of the other smiths there should have an answer for you.


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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2006, 01:26:38 AM »
This seems to be common in the one I own,  a pre-patended stock feeding one in brown.  The cure is not to use lead bullets.  Once I switched to a jacketed bullet, no more isses.  The gun just feeds them to fast.  Great Gun....I will never part with mine.  Happy Holidays.

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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2006, 09:19:10 AM »
There ain't no jacketed .22LR bullets. Do you mean the coated ones? The ones I've owned and my friends have owned have fed everything we've dropped into them without pause. I'd clean and lube it first.


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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2006, 12:12:09 PM »
Sorry,  I was meaning to say copper jacketed/coated.  I have always had a problem with it feeding to slowly on regular lead rounds.  My father had this before I, and he had the same issue.  40+ years with it and that is the only thing that works.  We had it into Williams GunSight here in Michigan about 1980 or so and they could not find a problem.  They said slow down on the cycle rate.

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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2006, 01:43:10 PM »
Thanks Mr. Graybeard and Ron for your input about my problem nylon 66. I first tried the plated bullets and the same problem, heck one time when I opened the bolt and held it open it emptied the whole magazine onto the work bench. Next I took Graybeards advice and gave this thing a thorough cleaning (MUCH NEEDED). I worked with this thing for about 4 hours and I would like to say here that I AM NO GUNSMITH. I came to the conclusion that this is a timing thing, there is nothing to stop the bullet that is following the one going in the chamber but the return of the bolt. It was very dirty and slow to close the bolt thus allowing the second bullet to follow the first one on the way to the chamber. After the cleaning if I load only one in the magazine and put it into the chamber then load the magazine all is well, shoots without a malfunction. I did this several times and all is ok. Thanks again Sirs, this is a great form.

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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2006, 07:54:46 PM »
If it works now with one in magazine but not with more it is a mechanical problem. I honestly don't know what but again if you'll ask on the Gunsmith Forum I suspect my Moderator there Jerry or one of the other gunsmiths can help you with it.


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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 07:56:49 PM »
Hey guys!  I just love the 66/77 line of rifles.  I found this on the Yahoo site and hope it helps.  This is someone else's work, not mine.

Dear nikOn611 and others:  Your Nylon 66 cartridge feeding problem
seems a common one with this butt stock, tubular magazine.  A simple
adjustment to the cartridge stop that you and other Nylon 66 users can
do using a Dremel or similar tool serves to completely eliminate the
problem.  I did this adjustment some time ago for a friend whose rifle
is now functioning perfectly.

As you've guessed, your feeding problem lies with the cartridge stop
mechanism.  Because I do not have a large enough parts diagram to be
of help to us, nor do I have access to a Nylon 66 rifle in order to
refresh my memory on the precise configuration of the cartridge stop,
I will simply describe the basic procedure, trusting to your
mechanical acumen to visualize the parts relationships I'll outline
and then to be able to proceed as I'll suggest.

Before fully dismantling the rifle, observe the function of the
cartridge stop.  The cartridge stop is a fairly substantial sheet
metal part that rotates on a pin and uses a small, 90 degree sheet
metal lip to engage the rim of the following cartridge as a preceding
cartridge is fed into the chamber.  This stop lip serves to prevent
multiple feeding when it properly and securely engages the the rim of
the following cartridge, and herein lies the problem.  In apparently
many rifles, this stop lip does not bear firmly enough upon the
following cartridge to effectively engage its rim and so to reliably
function as a stop.  If you will examine the cartridge stop part, you
will find that at approximately the other end of the part, past the
rotating pin, there is another portion of the part that by contact
with another surface controls the amount of rotation available to the
entire part and its stop lip and thereby the the amount and firmness
of the stop lip's engagement with the following cartridge.  As I
recall, this motion limiting portion of the cartridge stop part is
another flat surface parallel to the cartridge engaging surface of the
stop lip.  Removal of a few thousandths from this motion limiting
portion will allow the entire cartridge stop part to rotate a little
farther, pressing the stop lip more firmly against the following
cartridge.  Use of a fine grit grinding wheel on a Dremel tool or
other small, rotating grinder is the way to go.  Be careful not to
remove too much; cut and try.  The rifle I worked on required VERY
LITTLE grinding.  This small amount of grinding will totally eliminate
what seems a vexing problem for many and will serve to renew your
confidence in what was a very innovative but apparently sometimes
poorly executed design.

The repair is simple and absolutely effective.  Let me know if the
adjustment works out as well in your hands as it did in mine.

Regards,   oepaqu


Hope this helps you guys.
Aaron
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Re: nylon 66
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2007, 03:30:37 AM »
Thanks everyone for your help on this problem rifle. Found out the problem is not the guns fault.
Some previous owner forgot to put all the parts back. This gun is minus a cartridge stop and spring. I have put this problem on the back burner for now, have a Rem 660 in 243 that is my next project.

Thanks again
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