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7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« on: December 19, 2006, 09:57:57 PM »
Hi guys, I made the posting below on the Rossi forum, but so far nobody has answered it, so I thought I'd give 'er a go here where most of the experts hang out...

I've been hanging around the H&R NEF forum for awhile and have come across some people's experiences regarding the Handi rifle in 7.62x39 having problems with ammo, milsurp especially. Apparantly the primers on this ammo are extra hard in order to prevent slam-fires in auto and semi-auto firearms. This results in regular failures to fire in the Handi because the firing pin strike is not strong enough to set the little darlings off.

I am wondering if this is also the case with the single shot Rossi? Anybody have one in this caliber and is willing to comment?

By the way, I don't want this to turn into a discussion about which type of rifle is better, I am a happy owner of both, and don't think the subject needs to be beaten to death (again) - just specifically curious about the performance of the Rossi in 7.63x39 with milsurp ammo.

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2006, 07:01:28 AM »


Can't help you Tallyho...I've never owned either the 7.62x39 in a Handi...or a Rossi...Hopefully others will be able to chime in and help you out...

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2006, 07:04:30 AM »
Thanks anyway Mac. I'm beginning to think nobody has tried the Rossi in 7.62x39 - in fact I hadn't even heard of one until a couple of days ago.

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2006, 07:09:05 AM »
I looked on their web site to see it they offer one, it's there! I check their accessory barrel info once in a while, still in the works. :-\

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2006, 07:55:31 AM »
If you have a little time to go back a few pages you will find a couple threads started there. Not much as the Rossi forum doesn't get a whole lot of traffic.

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,76454.0.html

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,70043.0.html

Hope this helps a little.


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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2006, 08:18:58 AM »
Hey Aaron, Thanks for those links. :) :) :) I tried to use the search feature last night to look for stuff like this, but it wouldn't let me use it.

You said it in one of your postings that Hunter 6657 had the only actual report of shooting it with various types of ammo. It would be nice to have more info.

I too have a bit of a collection of 7.62x39 ammo, and if I hadn't read about the issues with the NEFs I would have bought one some time ago. I have no prob with reloading if I have to, just not keen on having a rifle that won't shoot stuff I already have on hand. I really don't want to get another SKS since I've evolved into a single shot guy... but I could be talked into it I 'spose if I found a bargain on one.

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2006, 08:39:16 AM »
Unfortunately, unitl Matt gets the database indexed, the search is still disabled. If you know who posted on a topic you're interested in, you can see all their posts by clicking their name or profile button, at the bottom of their profile page is an option to see their last posts, that will show all of their posts. ;)

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2006, 08:46:41 AM »
Thanks Tim. I figured Matt was still working on it. No big problem. It is more of a curiosity than anything. I found a Rossi  7.62x39 in a shop not far away. If I can haggle with the guy, I might go for it anyway, even though I have other, more practical uses for my resources these days, the idea of it intrigues me.

The links Aaron provided are sufficient for now anyway.

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2006, 09:09:43 AM »
I should have mentioned that Matt has had the database almost completlely indexed twice now, and it somehow became unindexed for some unknown reason both times, after considerably time involved, I might add. :-\

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2006, 11:33:22 AM »
If memory serves me correct, he mentioned that the surplus ammo he fired in his, which was Brown Bear..about the same as Wolf.. fired almost all, except with maybe 1 or 2. It was also mentioned that Rossi might have put a stronger spring in these type receivers, but I am not so sure. If I had a few I would attemp to take one apart and see, but I don't. Still even if a stronger fireing spring was there, I don't see it making much a difference because the firing pin can only extend so far till it stops. Seems with good factory ammo, hunting ammo, that this isn't a problem.
A member here used a VERY thin shim, held by only a dab of oil against the transfer-bar on his 7.62x39 Handi. And all forms of ammo seemed to work fine after that. Though that also presented the problem of over penetration of a primer and possibily pearcing any 7.62 ammo that did not have a deep set primmer. A matter of some debate as I remember. When I find the link I'll try and post it, it was a pretty interesting read.
All in all I can see both sides of the fence, those wanting to shoot surplus ammo for cheap trills in a rifle easily scoped , and the ones that only believe that you should leave that "junk ammo" to the surplus rifles it was made for. To each his own, and everyone finds fun in different areas.
I guess we really didn't think about the possibility of the 7.62 ammo not firing in a Handi due to the hardness and deep set primers when we all clamored for barrels offered in this calibers. Only the bore diameter of .312 to .308 and the possibility of an over bore is always there...
Still I would have liked for NEF to at least make the 7.62 barrels availible throught the accessory program for those that want the caliber for other reasons than surplus unloading.

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2006, 12:44:15 PM »

A member here used a VERY thin shim, held by only a dab of oil against the transfer-bar on his 7.62x39 Handi. And all forms of ammo seemed to work fine after that. Though that also presented the problem of over penetration of a primer and possibily pearcing any 7.62 ammo that did not have a deep set primmer. A matter of some debate as I remember. When I find the link I'll try and post it, it was a pretty interesting read.


Aaron, yeah I seem to remember that discussion as well. And at the time, as the complications with the x39 continued to surface I decided I'd give it a pass and just get a 30/30 - which I did.. and may just do so again... I have a lot of 30/30 ammo as well as a good supply of brass and bullets, and I could fairly easily find a way to justify another 30/30 anyway.  ;)  ;D

And truthfully, I would really rather stick to a Handi, and the guy that owns the Rossi I saw doesn't want to haggle over the price in any case.
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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2006, 04:59:58 PM »
tallyho ; You might be the guy to try the spr18 (spartain arms/remington)!!!!Sports South sight says they have the 7.62x39 spr18 in stock!!!!! I didn't know these made it into the country yet :o :o....The russians i bet would make something that would fire any kind of ammo.....$275 listed....dale

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2006, 06:20:03 PM »
tallyho ; You might be the guy to try the spr18 (spartain arms/remington)!!!!Sports South sight says they have the 7.62x39 spr18 in stock!!!!! I didn't know these made it into the country yet :o :o....The russians i bet would make something that would fire any kind of ammo.....$275 listed....dale

Nice of you to think of me that way bluffhunter. You have a higher opinion of my disposable income than my wife, my bank, my doctor, and my landlord have and I would definitely like it if yours was the real one   ;D - but I'm not so keen on having a 7.62x39 that I will spend that much on it. I thought I could get a Rossi that I came across for less than $200, but the guy who owns it doesn't seem to want to haggle over the price.

But I'll tell ya what I'll do, I'll happily receive donations from all who are interested in gaining information about this little Spartan/Remington. I will purchase same, and provide a detailed range and performance report within 30 days of receiving the final investment funds. All who are willing to participate, please contact me by PM.  ;) ;) ;)

And as an extra special appreciation, I promise to see that Santa gives whoever contributes many many points toward next year's deliveries!

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2006, 03:58:17 AM »
Those Spartan models used to be EAA rifles. When Remington bought the rights they bumped up the price as well. But you can find them under $200 easily. I believe the last I checked at Walmart they were going for around $170 or so. Maybe even a little cheaper. Next time you go to the sporting goods dept of one that still sales guns, check out there book.
These rifles are a little rough around the edges though.

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 11:39:45 AM »
Here's an SPR18 thread in the SS Forum, one poster mentions misfires!!

Tim

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Re: 7.62x39 comparison Rossi and NEF single shots
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2006, 03:09:06 PM »
For what its worth i have one of the Handi 7.62s but it has only seen my hand loads , i got it to shoot only my loads , i have an SKS for the Mil. spec. stuff .

It still needs some load work to get it were i want it but all in all i am pleased with how it shoots so far . don't know if i ever will try mil. in it just from what i have read so far .
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