what the heck GB google ads stink.

[jh45gun]

I know they may pay the bills for ya, but seeing the google ads for T shirts mocking and makeing fun of the President stinks from my conservative point of view. I know not much ya can do about it just letting you know to me it's rank.

[Graybeard]

I've not seen it so have no clue what you're talking about. But no we have little control over what ads Google sells, all must be in keeping with the general content of our site but we can't control folks' political views. Google provides more than half the income for this site.

[jh45gun]

yea I know ya got to do what ya got to do to pay the bills like we all do.Still I have seen some of their anti gun stuff so I use any search engine I can besides them. My Preference. In your case here ya take the good with the bad I suppose as it pays the bills. I do understand.

[Graybeard]

What "antigun" stuff? I've heard the rumor but never seen one iota of evidence to support it. Google has tons of pro gun stuff, they spider all the gun sites and deliver folks to them. They have huge numbers of gun related sites that advertise with them. So again I ask WHAT ANTIGUN STUFF have you seen and where?

Google takes money from most folks who want to advertise with them. They do NOT take any porn ads which was a big decision maker for us in agreeing to their ads here. I have no doubt that if some antigun organization wanted to advertise they would be allowed to do so but they couldn't advertise on sites like this as it would be counter to what the site is about. Google as far as I know has no policy at all regarding guns and for sure they are NOT antigun. Unless you can back that up I'd appreciate you stopping saying it continuously. It's just another one of those urban legends with no basis in fact that folks keep spouting about.

[jh45gun]

No Bill the admin of a other site posted some info on his site several years ago. maybe google saw the light and changed their attitude I do not know but at the time this is what he posted at his site. I have no reason not to believe him as I take you for face value on what you say too.

Here is his post dated August 6, 2003:

Yesterday I subbmited a pay per click advertisment to Google Adwords. It provided me with a list of words it advised would be good to promote my site. Today I went and looked at my performance and low and behold here are the results of thier recommended Key phrases. THere were quite a few others but I only included the ones they disapproved. Below that is the email I instantly fired off to customer service. Here is the contact email if any of you care to add your .02C worth. https://adwords.google.com/select/main?cmd=ContactUs If you do, please let all of us know what you sent and their response back to you. I want to make it clear under their terms of service it states the only disallowed words were words that were illegal in the countrys they are advertised. I specifically set it up to only include the US.....

handguns (disapproved)
gun auction (disapproved)
gun auctions (disapproved)
gun control (disapproved)
gun shop (disapproved)
gun store (disapproved)
guns (disapproved)
guns for sale (disapproved)
hand guns (disapproved)
pistols (disapproved)
rifles (disapproved)
shotguns (disapproved)
sniper rifles (disapproved)

To: Google Adwors Admin

In reviewing my account I see you have removed all inquiries that involve the word guns. I am offended and plan to take severe action to correct this situation. I run a completely legal, US BATF APPROVED (CHECK IF YOU NEED TO I WILL GLADLY PROVIDE YOU MY FFL NUMBER). My second amendment rights allow me and others the right to keep and bare arms and your policies are obviously anti Gun. I would like to know exactly why you disapproved my site. EXACTLY WHY. I shall then take action necessary to ensure that you cannot control the content of perfectly legal and professional web services. You can obviously control the words you allow. Is that legal? I am no attorney however I will assure you this. There will be a whole community and a number of organizations (including the NRA) who would love to hear your explanation. 60% of the population takes advantage of their second amendment rights. I can assure you, many believe in them strongly. If would like to lose a very large group of individuals from using your site ever again I suggest you have a pretty good explanation of what the problem is. There are a number of organizations in this country with very deep pockets who would love the opportunity to jump all over this story. As well as many politicians. I will await your response for about 48 hours and which point I will forward all info to the aforementioned organizations. They have a whole team of lawyers who do nothing but fight things of this nature. And believe me. They win. After all it is our constitutional right. You may want to do your research on recent cases prior to your reply. And I assure you I intend to see this to the end. This is my lively hood.

I withheld his name and other info he signed off here.    Jim

[Graybeard]

I have no clue what the info was in 2003 as that was long before our association with them. I can assure you those are perfectly accceptable key words to Google today and they have advertisers paying them and ME for the use of all those words/phrases.

You just cannot make assumptions based on all data and expect it to be correct in this day and time. I cannot and will not say that once upon a time Google had failed to see the light but for sure they have now and are not in any way antigun. If they were I'd sure not be making the kinda money I am from them on a gun site now would I? Look at the ads that show for them and see how many are gun related. If they were antigun they would not have all those advertisers.

I don't live in the past but honestly have never seen any evidence I'd call proof they ever were in any way antigun. That's a very common thing to attach to big companies and espeically by internet websites when they have no more to go on than some e-mail floating around that long ago had proven false.

[quickdtoo]

Google Adwords content policy...

https://adwords.google.com/select/contentpolicy.html

[jh45gun]

i agree with ya Bill they may have changed and that is good. i do have no reason to doubt at the time though what he posted was true and we can and do have the power to change things look at the zumbo fiasco.  it was not my intent i hope you know to criticise you or the site. i was just put off at the ad about Bush. if they have changd  from that time that is great and more power to them. fwiw i quit aol a while back for the same reason.

[jh45gun]

well after reading quicktodo's post it appears to me they want to have their cake and eat it too.   back to my origional stance.