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Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: December 21, 2006, 01:18:37 AM »
Feds removing wolves from protection in Idaho, Montana
By JOHN MILLER Associated Press Writer
 BOISE, Idaho (AP) - The head of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service says his agency will start removing federal protections from gray wolves in Montana and Idaho by January, regardless of whether Wyoming has submitted an acceptable plan to manage its own wolves by then.

Wyoming's plan is tied up in lawsuits, and Fish and Wildlife Director Dale Hall said Tuesday his agency is moving ahead with Idaho and Montana, where management plans are already in place.

Defenders of Wildlife, which advocates on behalf of wolves, vowed to fight the move, saying delisting by state is illegal.

Wolves were reintroduced to the northern Rocky Mountains a decade ago after being hunted to near-extinction, and now number more than 1,200 in the region. With the rising population, state officials including Idaho Gov. Jim Risch and Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer have been pushing the Fish and Wildlife Service to remove Endangered Species Act protections that the officials say hamper control efforts aimed at stopping the predators from eating livestock, as well as elk that are prized by hunters.

"They will be managed just as cats (cougars) and black bears are managed," said Risch, following a meeting Tuesday with Hall in Boise. "Certainly, there will be a reduction from what there is right now. Because of the explosion in numbers, they've got to be controlled."

The region where wolves would no longer have federal protections would include all of Idaho, Montana, eastern Washington and Oregon and a small sliver of northeastern Utah. Wolves that wander outside those areas would still fall under federal protections, said Mitch King, a Fish and Wildlife Service regional director in Denver.

Under the federal plan, states could have complete oversight of their wolves within 12 months, Risch said.

Idaho is estimated to have 650 wolves in about 60 packs, while Montana has 270 and Wyoming 309.

After delisting, Idaho's federally approved wolf-management plan requires maintaining a minimum of 15 packs, while Montana has a benchmark of 15 breeding pairs.

Both states already have most day-to-day oversight of their wolves; sanctioned control actions every year kill dozens of the predators suspected of killing or harassing cattle. Still, Idaho and Montana lack the authority to schedule legal hunts or kill wolves for reasons such as helping restore elk herds.

Defenders of Wildlife, a conservation group that has paid $700,000 since 1987 to ranchers hit by wolf predation, underscored its argument that delisting by state, rather than by the entire region including Wyoming where the wolves now roam, violates the Endangered Species Act and would undermine the integrity of wolf recovery plans.

"I would expect to see conservation groups fighting this," said Suzanne Stone, a group spokeswoman in Boise. "Everybody is hoping we get to delisting. But the factors that caused the initial eradication of wolves in the region have to be addressed before delisting. We're not there yet."

Hall said his agency concluded it needed to move forward with delisting to reward states like Idaho and Montana that have significant numbers of wolves, as well as management plans in place.

"Our attorneys are very comfortable with this," Hall told The Associated Press. "This is happening because it's the right thing to do. It's tied to all of us trying to make the Endangered Species Act work the way it's supposed to work."

If Wyoming lawmakers pass an acceptable plan next year, federal protections could be lifted there, too, Hall said.

The federal government so far has rejected Wyoming's proposal, concerned that it doesn't do enough to keep wolf numbers there from plummeting again. Wyoming's plan calls for leaving the animals alone in Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks, allowing trophy hunting next to the parks _ and allowing wolves elsewhere to be shot on sight as predators.

In an effort to end the impasse, Hall on Monday met with Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal to discuss issues such as expanding the areas set aside for trophy hunting.

Freudenthal called the meeting "great progress from where we were" but pledged to continue Wyoming's legal fight.

Hall also met Monday with Schweitzer, who called their discussion constructive.

If it aint fair chase its FOUL,and illegal in my state!
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Re: Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 02:04:06 AM »
I wish western States the best of luck in making what is "THEIR DECISION".

Several years ago Minnesota tried to make a hunting season but the outside pressure from certain groups made it impossible and the State had no "gonads" to control it's own destiny.

Right around the above time period a small northeast town (Silver Bay Minnesota) had a female wolf kill and eat a dozen pets (dogs) in the town, most of them on leashes in their own yards.

The school children were seeing her lurk about on their way to school. A federal trapper came in and took the wolf out.
I never heard a peep out of the media in print or television.

The wolf is simply too sacred in the lower 48.


Wolf skull I found last fall reactivating an old deer stand. Probably died fat and sassy from old age.



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Re: Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 02:07:10 AM »
nice find bear I have been looking for one of those while shed hunting in the spring but i think they all have radio collars around here and get picked up by the feds when they die.Cant wait for this change it has been WAY TOO LONG!!
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Re: Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 03:04:50 AM »
The guy I bought my cabin from used to alledgedly hang the collars over his fence lines. He also alledgedly nailed the carcass of wolf to telephone poles around his property. Well... you can understand the uproar it created. They would fly over his property in planes constantly. On a National Geographic special on "Wolves" the first words out of his mouth into the camera were, "I shoot every wolf I see."

The guy is 86 years old now and has told me a dozen tales about wolves. He only lives a mile from the cabin he sold me and stops in periodically in his travels about on ATV and snowmobile. Here's an interesting fact about wolves and snowmobiles in northern MN he witnessed.

When the first snowmobile(s) were made and began making trails in the woods the wolves were afraid of the trails and refused to cross them. They would run along side them for miles. Of course now the wolf run right on top of the snowmobile trails.   

About 12 years ago while trapping coyote half a mile from my cabin he accidently trapped a wolf that weighed 110 pounds (they actually weighed it). He said it was the biggest he had ever seen up there all of his life.

Of all the alledged "thinning" he did and others in the area like him did and or still do, the wolf are strong in population by my cabin. We see and hear them constantly. They're plenty healthy. Possibly because of the volunteered management from the locals the wolf and deer have thrived without the wolve getting too out of hand and taking more meat than the area had to give.

I actually hope to get one on digital this winter with the new 12x digital camera. I did take about 5 shots on 35mm once from inside the cabin on a wolf 50 yards away from the cabin one spring on our old deer bone yard but the pic's were all blurred...I was too excited and shaky.

I don't dare tell locals I was shooting a camera though. "We got no time for yuppie tree huggers up here."

But even the locals love to hear wolves howl. You can see and hear it in their voices when they say,
"Yaa hear that pack oh wolves down by the bucktooth ridge last night?"

They hate and love them at the same time.
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Re: Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 11:29:57 AM »
Thanks for the info NONYA, It was only a matter of time. Hunters should be able to hunt a healthy wolf population, that's good news.
The idea of wiping out wolves populations because they kill animals naturally is beound brainless. It's sure in the hell a better idea to control the animal, so all can enjoy them including the hunter. :)
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Re: Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 01:57:36 PM »
NONYA
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing the info.

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Re: Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 03:31:44 PM »
Good news and now maybe you can go over to predator masters and not get whined at ;D!
Myself i like it way better here and many other places.

I'll be doing some wolf hunting someday ,i've dreamed of getting a wolf and a mountain lion by calling them in.-Mike

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Re: Wolf hunt in Mt and Id in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2006, 03:49:08 AM »
Nonya
Thanks for the interesting read…I have been waiting for them to show up here in IL and they are abit overdue based on the Biologist five year predictions of having infiltration from coast to coast by last year I believe.
Looks like a bottleneck up in your area can only speed their travels up.

We did have a hunter take a 90# five foot long gray in Pike county last Feb. This guy was east of the Springfield IL area and perhaps within 40 miles of the Mississippi River. What he did was Legal but the DNR was quick to post the Wolf as being a protected spices in our 2006 regulations.
Mine is an agriculture and livestock rich area. Might be doing some Wolf hunting myself but don’t really look for it to happen for three to four more years depending on what kind of mischief (read wanton destruction)  that those animals can get into.