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Offline Masterblaster1

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Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4 Buckshot??
« on: April 24, 2004, 03:52:24 PM »
Does anybody use number 4 buckshot for deer?? Or is it best suited for coyotes.  How much difference does the copperplating make?? any replies would be very helpful  Thanks

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Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2004, 06:10:54 PM »
Slugs very reliably kill deer; buckshot very reliably wounds deer.  If you absolutely have to use buckshot on deer, (1) don't let me catch you, and (2) use 00 at the smallest; 4's way too small.
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Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2004, 06:46:28 AM »
agreed, #4 buck is way too small for deer, unless your going to head shoot them from bow range... i wouldn't mess with buckshot at all.  It's actually illegal for deer hunting in both Kansas and Missouri where I hunt.

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Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2004, 06:28:56 PM »
the # 4 buckshot is too small to make a clean kill i use 000 buck copper plated winchester it has less pellets but does kill cleanly.

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2004, 04:16:12 PM »
and it kills them dead. I hate it when people start spouting off their crap. I shoot Federal 3.5" # 1 buckshot and have no problems, killed 4 with it last year. Have killed them with 3" # 1 also. Here in central VA a lot of us hunt with buckshot and in my club we don't have any problems killing them dead. As far as crippling them and all that bs, I see em crippled by bow hunters and black powder and centerfire rifles also, but no one bitches about that. And I hunt with all of them. Hunt the deer, use your head, pick your shot and you'll be fine. Now as far as #4 buck, I can't say I know anyone who shoots it.

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Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2004, 05:53:58 PM »
I don't use #4 buckshot.  Back when I was  younger, I tested different sizes of buckshot on a sheet of 1/2 or 3/4 inch plywood, and the smaller sizes of buckshot - #4 and #1 just will not penetrate enough for me to feel comfortable using them.

     If your gun will pattern it, 000 buck is the way to go, with 00 a close second.  I have had my best patterns with large buckshot from a turkey choke tube, believe it or not.  I have had both Remington turkey choke tubes and Mossberg turkey choke tubes that will consistently put 8 out of the 10  000 buck pellets in a 12 gauge 3" load into a 24" circle at 50 yards.

     Buckshot will certainly wound if you try to shoot farther than its effective range, but if you only take shots that are in range, don't let anyone tell you that large buckshot will not kill deer cleanly.  One deer that I shot with 000 buck was running in a bottomland thicket and only 2  000 pellets hit the deer.  One hit the deer in the back leg and the other hit it squarely through the chest.  The deer fell within 30 yards of where it was hit, and the pellet that went into the chest went all the way through and left a hole that you could stick your finger through on both sides.

     This deer was about 65 yards away and running when I shot it.  I am not advocating that everyone take shots this far away, but if you can find a gun and load combination that will shoot patterns of large buckshot as tight as the ones I have mentioned above, you can cleanly kill deer with it at a greater distance than most people realize.

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2004, 03:55:15 AM »
Only place I use #4 buck is in home defense, specifically because of its limited penetration compared to 00 buck.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2004, 09:17:25 AM »
I agree with Bob_K  #4 is a great home self-defense load, especially if you are an apartment dweller with neighbors all around.  00 and 000 will take deer within their (your) limits.  I use 00 very often I also learned long ago to let some deer walk because I choose to use 00.  I think thatÂ’s why they call it hunting.

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2004, 06:33:29 PM »
I'm with Spence. #1 Buck is the best compromise of penetration and pellet count. Inside 40 yards, it's a very reliable killer.
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Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2004, 03:14:15 AM »
I have always believed that #4 buckshot was too small. I don't know why they even attach the "buckshot" name to it.

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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2004, 10:36:26 AM »
ole miss, you must have big deer where you live. Don't believe I've ever seen a deer with a 24" kill zone.   IMO buchshot to 25 yards, slugs over 25 yards. #4 buckshot is too small, 00 is the correct size for deer. That said I prefer slugs. Hope this helps, Byron
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2004, 12:35:22 PM »
00 just don't have the pellet count. It'll penetrate, sure. but it'll only put 2-3 pellets in a deer's kill zone at 40 yards. #1 will about double that which greatly reduces the chances of a deer traveling far enough to be unrecoverable.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2004, 11:36:27 AM »
I agree it's too light for deer.  I would use # 4 on turkey from my muzzleloader if it were legal, it seems to be perfect for critters in the 15-75 lb range. The main reason it is still sold is that it stacks so well in a 20 gauge hull.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2004, 06:55:48 PM »
I saw a guy shoot a nice buck once using  4 buckshot which was illegal. Actually it is all illegal in WI. He shot it in the head and there was blood all over the place. He never did find that deer. I suppose if you like buckshot and can use it and you kill deer I am not going to fault your method. I just know even if it was legal in WI I would never use it. As far as home defense goes bird shot in the larger sizes is more devistating at closer range more pellets and a larger deadlier pattern.  Besides using Bird shot shows you had it for hunting not home defense like buckshot may make a jury decide you were waiting for trouble. I know sounds lame but in this day and age with all the anti gunners out there and the crooked lawyers you had better make it sound right the first time.  Jim
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2004, 07:35:46 AM »
All types of guns can wound if the shot is not placed properly.  However, in my PERSONAL experiences, I have seen far far more deer wounded by buckshot than any other firearm projectile (a lot of bad archery shots out there, string-jumping deer etc).  
   Someone mentioned a shot where they killed a deer at 65 yards one pellet in the back leg and one in the chest.  That chest pellet could have just as easily gone through the stomach.  With buckshot, there is always luck involved in the hit placement.  I don't see why if you trust yourself to center the pattern over the deer accurately enough to ensure adequate pellet hits, you don't trust yourself just to put a slug through the center of the pattern and make a big hole.
   If someone wants to limit their buckshot attempts to 25-30 yards, I have little problem with that as it usually means a lot of holes.  However my first year hunting I had a side-by-side, so put buckshot in the full choke barrel.  It patterned well.  A doe stopped at 30 yards, and I fired the slug.  She jumped, then stood still.  I carefully aimed again and fired the buckshot.  She ran and soon fell, the slug through her heart.  Skinned her and found NO buckshot.  Never touched it again.
   It is commonly accepted that a .44 cap and ball revolver is inadequate as a primary weapon for deer.  Yet the largest buckshot carries far less power per pellet than this.  So I'd say stick with 00 or bigger if you are going to use it, and make darn sure your pattern is good.
   Just my observations.

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Re: Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4 Buckshot??
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2006, 10:11:00 AM »
I believe that #4 buck is around .22 size.  I use it for sneaking up on geese in fields (legal to use lead for snow geese)  and for coyotes.  Would not consider using it for deer.

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Re: Does anyone hunt deer with copperplated #4 Buckshot??
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2006, 05:19:55 PM »
buckshot gets a bad wrap because of ignorant people using it.....buckshot kills........20 ga should be limited to 30 yds...12 to 40 or 45.......most people stretch this which is just as bad as shooting a buck at 400 with a 30-30........also......most people aim for the traditional behind the shoulder with buckshot which is wrong........you should aim for the base of the neck with bs......some will hit the head and neck and some in the heart/lung area....aim for the shoulder and some hit to far back.....when i use my ithaca ds...i load a rem sprs (rifled slug) then bs.....i usually put #1s right after the slug then 00 or 000.......sometimes i have put #4 bs though i will admit that i have not fired #4 at a deer as when i ahve had them behind the slug ,the slug has dropped them.....also #4 buck is listed in some sorces as .20 cal though most sources have #4 buck listed as .24 cal  which should be ok for deer at 30-35 yds with a 12 ga load.......outdoor life deer hunters encloypedia on pg 227 1985 actually talks about the effectivness of #4 buck but the range has to be kept under 30 yds.........mack