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Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« on: December 08, 2006, 04:16:07 AM »
Hi All

I was on another forum the other day and I kept reading about people and their AR, FAL, and AK type rifles for survival.

Tho some did agree with me about single shots for survival it seems that most people do not consider a single shot useful for survival.

Of course my idea of survival is not getting in a firefight if I can help it.

I do have an AR a Mini14 and a scout type rifle but I would want my single shot 12 gauge as well for hunting small game or as a backup.

Just sharing
Kid

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006, 05:15:24 PM »
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Kid couteau
A survival gun depends what you have to survive. I only can speak of wilderness survival.

Having spent weeks canoeing across the northern tundra for several years. Not with a number of canoes but only one canoe and one other person. At one time we nearly had a tundra grisly board the canoe. But we out paddled him.

Two firearms come in mind one is a 22 single shot the other is a 12gauge pump.
In the tundra survival on foot is most difficult and the duration of warm weather is very short. You cannot loose your canoe period that is the first consideration in survival.


Read on.
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/ZERMEL/canogun.html
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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2006, 05:20:25 PM »
Thanks Fred

Now I got some reading stuff for tonight  ;D

Later
Kid

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2006, 02:58:04 AM »
KidC,

Opinions are like butts, everybody has one.  There are different connotations of survival.  Generally, I find the guys with the AK's and AR's have their own survival fantasy, which usually involves several high capacity magazines, 12 cases of ammo strapped to their back, and a cloud of empty brass in the air as they try to escape the hordes of bad guys coming after them for their last can of tuna.  Then they'll get bored with that and talk for a while about their $600 tactical knife and how well it will perform when their ammo runs out. . .

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2006, 05:48:09 AM »
  My idea of a survival gun is a rifle/shotgun combo.  I've drug mine all over the US and Canada and spent weeks at a time out in the Alaskan bush with it.  Combo's have worked out VERY well for me over the years...

  Of the combo guns that are tough and affordable, i rate the Valmet 412 on top...  It could be bought in many different cals. and the most sold were 12/30-06, and many other bbls could be bought and would interchange between the actions. (like in the pict.)

  I've harvested a lot of meat for my freezer with mine and it's always worked perfectly...

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2006, 04:07:50 AM »
Kid, I agree that the single shot has a definite place in a survival situation.  Too many people hear survival and they think of a nuclear holocaust situation.  Well, we are much more likely to suffer from some time of natural or economic disaster in my opinion.  Plus on an individual basis, the hunting type gun is going to be of much more use than a battle rifle.  Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with ARs etc. I like them and own them but for a realistic survival situation you would be well served by a single shot.  I too have looked as some forums where the people are addressing survival situations, when I look at the loads they are talking about carrying, one thing becomes very evident to me, these folks have not spent much time walking carrying a load, and most of them seem to have forgotten about the basics of food, water, and shelter.  I hope it never happens but if their idea of survival does occur, I am afraid they are going to learn to late that to survive they must be discreet and disappear into the surroundings not roving the area picking a fight with those around them, because somebody will be laying up on the hill with their totally inadequate deer rifle and put out their eye.
 As a side note, when I was sent to Katrina last year, it was a very unstable situation in that I was part of the first wave down.  Since our objective was to restore law and order in rural areas we were told to be totally self sufficent as far as food, water, and shelter for at least two weeks.  I had food, water, and shelter in my rig, I also had an AR and an 870 but since I wasn't sure about resupply or the situation I was getting into, I also had a 10/22 and ammo with me.  I didn't need the rifle but it was comforting knowing it was there because once I got there I figured out pretty quick if the food resupply became an issue there were plenty of tasty critters running around for the taking.  While the AR would have taken these critters the 10/22 would have been much more efficent and called much less attention to us.  Of course the folks in the rural areas generally had the situation pretty well in hand.  They were hit hard but as is the way of country folk everywhere they were already trying to get their feet back under them when we got there unlike the folks who were standing in front of the news cameras saying no one will fix our problems for us while we sit around and watch.  Ironically most of the problems we had and there were plenty of them were people from outside the area coming in to prey on others misfortune, it is probably a good thing we got them rather than the folks they were planning on preying on because as one fellow said "the turtles gotta eat too".  But when I left the area I was heartbroken for the loss these folks had suffered but restored in that contrary to what the news media lead us to believe there were a lot of folks down there who stepped upto the plate and in the way of Americans past dealt with their problems, helped their neighbors, and drove on.  Sorry for getting off topic but it kindof fit in.

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006, 05:05:13 AM »
Hi LEO

I dont think you were off topic at all

My 2 cents is this

If I have to bug out I will have my Rem 870 and my AR but I will have my little single shot 22 as well

(Just hope I can bug out in my truck cause I have a motto.....NO GUN LEFT BEHIND)

Kid

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2006, 02:52:26 PM »
A single shot .22 would take up a little more space than a Ruger Siingle Six (.22/.22M) which is my first choice.  There is the neat little single shot made by either Rossi or NEF with a .22 barrel and a .410 barrel.  The nice thing about a .22 is that the ammo is small and the space of one box of 12 gauge shells can be replaced by at least 4 boxes of .22 (about 200 rounds). 

My preference is a .22M over 20 gauge for survival gun.  Savage and now Spartan Gunworks have these.  I also would consider my "foraging gun" which is a NEF Tracker smoothbore slug gun.  Slugs for big game and shot for small game.  I know of a place that manufactures barrel inserts (.30-30 and .22 hornet) that I might add to the mix. 

In my family we had an old Stevens Model 15 Single shot that was purchased back in the late '30s.  It was owned by most of the male members of our clan and used to train youngsters in gun safety, hunting small game, and killing hogs on the farm.  The stock was redone twice that I know of as it spent time in pickups, car trunks, hauled around the woods.  During the Depression, my father's family got meat more from that little gun than other gun with the exception of my great-grandfather's converted musket to 12 gauge (also a single shot) - my grandfather's favorite buck and bird gun.

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2007, 05:42:18 AM »
dpastordan,
Would you mind sharing the info about the 30/30 and 22 Hornet inserts you mention. Is there a website?

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2007, 03:01:36 PM »
Kerry,

Here's the website that I found.  I had ordered an insert from them before - .22LR in .22Magnum.

http://www.mcace.com/index.htm

Hope this helps!

Dan ;D

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Re: Ran into a wall I think (talking about survival weapons)
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2007, 03:48:33 PM »
Thanks Dan, it does help.

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