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T/C Scout rifle, any one know about these?
« on: October 29, 2006, 02:39:55 PM »
What do you know about the T/C Scout rifle?? Any problems? Do they shoot ok?

Guess I should have asked before but that would be contrary to being compulsive ;) Looks like one will be taking up residence at my house soon. What it is, is a Scout Carbine, cal .54, 21" bbl, 1:20 twist, new unfired, black composite stock, color case hardened receiver.

With the 1:20 twist I'm hopeing it will like the NE .540 535 grainers that I happen to have 5 boxes.

So if any of you here know anything  about these Scouts fire away. ;)

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Re: T/C Scout rifle, any one know about these?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2006, 03:38:53 AM »
I bought a Scout Carbine several years ago in .54 cal and tried to tame the thing for about three weeks prior to the opening of the season that year, with no real success.

I did manage to take a button buck with it at about 35 yds. that had jumped up in front of me at about three paces and ran. When he slowed to a walk and looked over his shoulder to see what had snuck up on him as he slept, I put 425 gr. Hornady Great Plains through both shoulders.

Just a lucky shot the way that rifle performed. I tried every load and projectile I could find or cast on the bloody thing, but never got anything better than "patterns" out of it... recoil was pretty awful too, given the light weight and low buttstock angle. (The name Scout seemed to indicate what you need to do to find out where your last shot went!)

Working with TC, I tried to swap barrels off twice, without improvement. I ended up giving it away to one friend, and the little monster made the rounds back to another, my closest buddy, who still has it gathering dust.

Without a doubt, the problem with that rifle has to be the twist rate...WHO ON EARTH EVER THOUGHT A 1 IN 20" TWIST IN A 54 CAL WAS A GOOD IDEA!!! Using the Greenhill formula to calculate an appropriate bullet length for this twist results in a required weight of apx 1200 gr. (I asked the good folks at TC if they were trying to build a muzzleloading anti-tank rifle!)

There's much to like about the design. Very handy to carry, quick to the shoulder, fast on target.. a real chummy little stalker. The simple and totally effective trigger-sear-hammer design is great too... safe, fast to use, nice crisp pull, BUT the choice of 1 turn in 20" twist rate is an incredible anomaly for a .54 caliber.   ???
                                                                                                                                                                                                       
It was TC's first inline and employs an overly complex breechpug/nipple setup featuring pressure relief vents yielding a long, unsealed flash channel giving opportunity for inconsistent ignition (especially with #11 caps)... fear of litigation resulting from accidents due to overload or barrel obstructrion with it's inline, open breech I presume.

 I suspect that twist was selected (so to speak) due to developement work done on the Scout Pistol. There seems to have been a strong desire  at TC to market an effective muzzleloading handgun for deer/hogs,etc. Perhaps a twist that fast was needed to produce RPM's sufficient to stabilize a heavy (long) conical at a relatively low velocity due to the limited time in the short pipe.
Then, to cut expenses, rather than retool and redevelope for the rifles they just banged-out longer barrels with the same fast twist rate.

Just a guess on my part, but it does explain what is otherwise, IMO, a total brain-fart    by TC. 
 
 
 Wish I could sound more optimistic, but my experience precludes it entirely. :(
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Re: T/C Scout rifle, any one know about these?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 01:38:26 AM »
Either get your money back for it..... Or if you can't
get some MMP sabots for .54 cal for .451 bullets.
The best shooting setup should be the longest .451 or .452 cal bullet you can find in an MMP sabot.
Hornady also has a saboted .44 cal 300g XTP bullet for .54 but probably not long enough

Midway has many bullets available from different manufacturers in .451 and .452 in 300gr and over.
They have Cast Performance Bullets in .452 to 395 grains

I have the Scout .54 Pistol with reddot, but only shoot to 25 yrds.  very accurate pistol.
My dad has both the Scout pistol and carbine in .50
I don't like the carbine and how it shoots compared to today's inlines.
having said that, my dad just took a 4 point buck  2 days ago weighing 117lb dressed at 40 yrds.
aimed for center shoulder, but was lucky to clip the bottom of the heart at 4 o'clock.  dead deer after a few steps.
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Re: T/C Scout rifle, any one know about these?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2006, 02:51:36 PM »
I've got one also, I used 300xtp's with reasonable accuracy  I was never comfotable with a scope mounted to the reciver and not the barrell so I used the iron sights only.. it was before the high tech stuff came around..so  i never really tried to use ant different combos (powder/bullet) in it.. a savage took it's place and it collects dust now- Kevin

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Re: T/C Scout rifle, any one know about these?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2006, 06:08:44 PM »
dont know about the 54s  but i have one in 50cal that will shoot 1.5/2 in groups at 100 yards useing a 250 grain 45cal xtp bullet 90 grains 2f goex between  dad my boy and myself the rifle has taken 21 deer all one shot
never to much gun

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Re: T/C Scout rifle, any one know about these?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2007, 10:56:49 AM »
I have a .50 cal scout, bought it new the first year they came out. I have tried many bullets and loads before I found what works. The scout does not like heavy bullets or powder loads. With the fast twist and heavy loads it is my thought that the bullet is stripping the rifling resulting in poor accurcy.My pet load is 80grs of FFg Black with Barnes 250 gr. MZ sabots and CCI magnum # 11 caps. Sounds light, but it always exits every deer I have shot except one(shoulder)lost none.The barnes MZ is a devastating bullet. I will grant you the scout is not the most accurate muzzleloader ever made but with the right loads it will shoot 2-3" groups at 100yds. Also I think it does not like loose bullets, the MZ's go down pretty hard on a clean barrel. Good Luck
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