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Offline Dinosaur

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A curious problem
« on: January 08, 2007, 05:41:56 PM »
I've scouted this forum for about a year attempting to find a cure for misfires in my 30-30 Handy(50% misfires).  I tried all the suggestions offered to others with similar problems. but never posted. I put the rifle away for about six months, then I cured the misfire problem yesterday by swapping hammers with a NEF shotgun.  Why it helped I have no idea, but now the new problem. When the barrel is level or directed down the hammer will not cock, if I raise the barrel to about 20 degrees above level the hammer cocks easly. When I hold the rifle level , but up side down.  It will cock untill the barrel is directed down about 30 degrees.  Can anyone help? and any idea why the hammer swap help with the misfires.
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Re: A curious problem
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2007, 06:00:16 PM »
Welcome to GBO! I'd have to guess that the transfer bar is broken or not installed right, did ya download Perklo's instructions? It's possible that the t-bar was the problem all along, if it doesn't work right, the hammer can't hit the firing pin.

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Re: A curious problem
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 04:09:16 AM »
Welcome aboard Dinosaur, I agree with Quick, it does sound like a transfer bar problem and also that it might have been the problem all along. If you send it to H&R I am sure they would fix it for you for free if you cannot get it going yourself, they are great on repairs.....

 As far as the situation now it sounds like a safety system thought up by a lawyer!!!....<><.... ;) ;D
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Re: A curious problem
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 04:48:33 AM »
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As far as the situation now it sounds like a sfety system thought up by a lawyer!!!

Ah..as a lawyer I can say, with some assurance and personal knowledge,that we are not smart enough to have thought up that system.
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Re: A curious problem
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 05:08:42 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D, now there is a brave man!!!!....<><.... ;)
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Re: A curious problem
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 05:27:36 AM »
Quote from: Dinosaur on January 08, 2007, 05:41:56 PM
I put the rifle away for about six months, then I cured the misfire problem yesterday by swapping hammers with a NEF shotgun.  Why it helped I have no idea, but now the new problem. When the barrel is level or directed down the hammer will not cock, if I raise the barrel to about 20 degrees above level the hammer cocks easly. When I hold the rifle level , but up side down.  It will cock untill the barrel is directed down about 30 degrees.  Can anyone help? and any idea why the hammer swap help with the misfires.

 I have a handi that does same thing.The transfer bar broke and a gunshop had one from a shotgun and used it to replace it.Tilt rifle back so you can cock hammer,with the transfer bar where you can look down on the front,look to see if it is beveled or not.The original bar was one mine and the replacment for shotgun is not.What happens is the bar is catching on the firing pin untill you do like you said and tilt rifle back till you can even hear the bar click the hammer and it will then go past the firing pin and cock.
 You can fix it by filing an angle like the original one so it will then slide over the pin.After you check it out,and if the bar is beveled,then like quick said its broken or installed wrong.
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Re: A curious problem
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2007, 08:07:51 PM »
Thanks to all for your help.  It appears that I caused the problem when I put the hammer from a newer 2000 shotgun in an older 1980's rifle.  The T bar is indeed catching on the firing pin. I did use Perklo's excellent peice on "Trigger Work" to dissemble and assemble, but did not attemped any trigger refinement.  I bought the rifle used and it already had an Ok trigger.  It appears to be nickel plated and has a 22 inch shotgun barrel with a soft case with compartments for the two barrels and the action/stock.  Very compact.  Now to see if I can make it work with cast bullets.
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Re: A curious problem
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2007, 10:28:43 AM »
use a softer lead bullet and gas checks and they will be tack drivers.
I shoot a 184 grain lead bullet with gas checks with 12-14 grains of bluedot
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