I saw a ultra .223 with the thumb hole stock.It was very nice,the buttstock was held on with a button head allen bolt in the thumb hole area,It also had the extractor barrel on it.I have to admit I think I like the extractor better than the ejector.I also looked at a .45 colt carbine,which I also liked.the stock set wasn't finished all that nice I have to admit,but the checkering was excellent.I think I might buy another handi to get the stock set I wan't and send it in for a 45 colt barrel.The colt carbine was $399.00, is that a fair price?It seemed a little high to me for a handi.