Author Topic: N.Y. trigger question. (Read 1684 times)

tigmaned · « **on:** December 20, 2006, 12:46:39 AM »

i am new to Glocks, so bare with me with this one! i looked on every page but didn't find a great post that helped me. i have a old Glock 17 on the way and yeah i all ready have ideas on things to change. the first is to extended the mag release. but i have found a few post here and other glock forums about the N.Y. triggers? so can some one clarify what they really do for our Glocks and from the low cost of them i am ready to jump right in and get one but not sure about what set up would be best to go with??
Thanks and any other advice for a new Glock guy that was a 1911 guy.

John R. · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2006, 07:10:19 AM »

You definitly don't want a New York trigger in your gun. Standard trigger pull weight for Glocks is 5- 51/2 lbs. The NY Trigger gives you an 8 lb. pull and the NY Plus trigger gives you a 12 lb. pull. They make the gun a lot harder to shoot accurately. If it was me I would have a 3.5 lb. trigger put in the gun or leave the stock 5.5 lb. trigger in it.

Savage · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2006, 10:56:23 AM »

The "New York" trigger is no upgrade! It is an attempt to Idiot Proof the pistol. If you just HAVE to do something to it, install a grip plug. Shoot it for a while and get to know the gun, then you'll know what to do to make it better. Your intended use will dictate what modifications you might want to make. My game Glock is much different from my duty/carry Glocks. My IDPA SSP gun is a Glock 17. It has the reduced power striker spring, 3.5#, a trigger overtravel stop, and a good polishing of the key internals. I put an extended mag release in it as well. The slide catch is fine like it is, don't use it to release the slide anyway. Not for carry just for fun! My carry Glocks have a + power striker spring and night sights. Just depends on what your application is!
Savage

tigmaned · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2006, 03:14:21 PM »

i was thinking about get into action match with it at my range.
and i will leave things alone, i can get use to any trigger heck i own a ruger MKII govt model that i bullseye with.
thanks for the info and i am glad i ask first!!

Preacherman · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2006, 01:13:56 PM »

A friend of mine is buying a new glock in 45 cal he asked me about a law enforcement trigger if was availiable to the public. Is that the 3.5 trigger? I don't know much about Auto pistols.
Thanks Preacherman

Savage · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2006, 09:18:04 PM »

Preacherman,
Some departments issue the Glocks with the factory trigger, (5.5#) or so. Due to lack of training, or lack of interest in training, there have been incidents of negilent discharges with injuries. To compensate for this, some departments go to a heavier trigger system. Enter the New York and the New York Plus. These combinations give a trigger pull of 8#-12# or so. The thought here is, make the trigger harder to pull and the idiot won't unintentionally shoot himself of someone else. The short answer is: Yep, the 8#-12# trigger system is available to anyone wanting one. Most find the stock trigger on the Glocks to be challenging enough.

Savage

tango3065 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 26, 2006, 04:04:40 PM »

I got my new G19 last week and installed a NY1 trigger spring in it today and couldn't be happier, its not to heavy and not to light and didn't affect my accuracy one bit. BTW the NY1 trigger gives you a whole better reset also.

CouchTater · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2007, 05:28:40 AM »

Things are a bit confusing with the Glock because the main trigger resistance comes from the striker spring. Opposing the force of the striker spring is the trigger return spring which operates on the connector bar. The standard trigger return spring is a coil spring which results in the standard 5.5 lb trigger pull.

There are two "NY" leaf-type trigger return springs that also increase trigger pull; the olive colored NY1 which runs about 8 lb, and the "NY+" or "NY2" which apparently runs about 12 lb. I have the NY1 spring in two of my Glocks.

There is also a 3.5 lb connector, which operates in conjunction with the standard 5.5 lb trigger return spring, to give a roughly 3.5 lb trigger pull. The light trigger is nice, its nowhere near what a good SA trigger can be but its good enough. But strangely some people shoot better with the NY1 trigger.

For real world self defense, the NY1 spring is fine. When I took LFI-1, I did the qual shoot with my model 26 which has a NY1 spring. The only guys with higher scores had tricked out .45s. Had I practiced a bit more before attending, and used a model 22 instead, I would have beaten at least one of the .45 guys. But I wanted to qual with my CCL gun. What's the point of qualifying with the easiest gun to shoot? I've proven I can shoot minute-of-bad-guy with a pocket pistol & a NY spring, given that the overwhelming majority of gunfights happen inside of 15 ft I have oriented my training and gear accordingly. I'm not planning on headshots at 25 yards, I have other tools for that.

If you're going to do gun games, you'll want to use the standard spring and a 3.5 lb connector.

There is an obscure option; combine a 3.5 connector and a NY1 spring. It gives a roughly 5 lb pull but is almost DA revolver-like, very constant level of force throughout the pull stroke which makes striker release more of a surprise. I tried it for awhile, kinda liked it but worried about reliability. So I took it out. Now I have two NY1 springs and one 3.5 connector in my Glocks.

Get a manual which describes detail stripping the Glock, and mailorder the pin punch, one of each kind of spring, along with a 3.5 connector, and have fun with it. The overwhelming advantage of the Glock is that new OEM parts are dirt cheap, and anyone can replace them in a matter of minutes. Hell, if you practice you could swap out the return spring in about 20 seconds if you're coordinated.

jkir · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2007, 12:39:58 PM »

In response to the 3.5# question, I believe Glock still supports NOT using this in a duty weapon due to the chance of a weak strike on the primer. I have one in a glock 17 with 2000+ rounds and no failures, so take that for what it is worth.

As for the extended mag release, I consider these a competition item only. I have had too many occasions where a standard release managed to pre-release (thankfully not in a real situation) to warrant an extended release. I do have the extended side releases on all and I think the FBI specs these for their agents.

Savage · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:09:43 AM »

jkir is referring to the reduced power firing pin spring of course. In some pistols they have been known to cause light strikes. Not a good thing in a duty or self defense weapon! As I mentioned in a previous post, my duty guns get the +power firing pin spring. It makes the trigger pull a little crisper, and reduces the provability of a light strike. My experience with the reduced power firing pin spring in my Steel/SSP pistol has been good in MANY thousands of rounds with no misfires.
Savage

lefty red · « **Reply #10 on:** June 08, 2007, 06:30:11 AM »

I use the orange NY spring in my Glocks. That and the Grip Plug is the only two "mods" I do. The NY spring gives the pistol and constant trigger pull and better trigger reset. I wish my wheelguns had as good of a trigger pull as my G19 and G37 does with the NY spring.

Jerry

GSD17 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2007, 04:06:33 PM »

Actually, many people do like the NY trigger springs.

Combining a NY1 trigger spring with a 3.5lb connector gives a pretty smooth "revolver like" pull.