7x57 and gunnut, thanks for the replies, I have done the heat stripping thing, but know it can play havoc on the checkering before you can heat to the bottoms of the checkering grooves. On the CZ, it may not be a problem, I have thought about sanding the checkering off any way. On the Marlin though, I don't think I have that oiption, as the rear stock is close to receiver size, so I don't think I have enough material to work with. Gunnut, Yes I believe the finish is some kind of polyurethane or epoxy. Thanks again.