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Offline Dand

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one observation of a 7mmRem Mag on moose
« on: September 06, 2004, 10:02:26 PM »
This is just one observation on the performance of a 7mm Rem mag Corelokt ammo on a medium moose but I thought I'd share it.

One of my hunting partners shot his first moose, a medium sized 2 yr old this last week.  He was using regular Rem 175 corelokt factory ammo.  Shots taken at roughly 125 to 150 yards or maybe a little less.  Sorry wasn't there for the shooting, just the gutting and packing so some of this account is what he described to me.  

He was standing in very tall grass so had to shoot offhand.  First shot appears to have hit the left front leg just above the joint (elbow) near brisket - destroys bone and joint but leaves no bullet material in the wound, doesn't penetrate the chest or body and moose stays standing.  Moose hops in a tight circle.  Second shot on the rotating animal knocks it down and anchors it;  and later shows to have hit square in the paunch but not exited nor even ripped up the stomach.  That full stomach stopped the bullet dead.  There is a chance the bullet was a 150 gr load that got mixed into the box of 175 gr bullets.

Shooter gets up to animal, its not dead, so makes a finishing head shot.

We clean this animal and there is this only one hole in the right side, no blood or mess in gut or chest cavities, no holes in chest cavity, clean pink lungs no holes in heart no wounds to back bone.  Its the cleanest animal internally I've worked on in a long long time.  So clean we spent a lot of time discussing bullet performance, which hit was first and how in the heck did this animal get anchored with these two relatively poor shot placements.  Possibly the leg shot was sufficient to prevent running and may have caused massive bleeding from the brachial artery.  The stomach shot with all the energy being delivered to the animal knocked it down and sufficiently shocked it to prevent fleeing. But it all seems almost a lucky accident.  And I thought the 175 gr 7 mm bullets were known to be great penetrators.

What I come away with is that conventional corelokts in this caliber cannot be expected to penetrate the stomach of a fully fed moose and don't seem to be a great choice for moose hunting.  I'm more than ever convinced that high penetration bullets like Partition, Fail Safe, Barnes X are a better choice for large game.  AND of course best of all, good shot placement to go with it.

I have another friend who has shot many head of game from large moose,caribou, black and brown bears to Kodiak deer with his 7 mm mag factory loads and its a popular caliber for Alaska.  So I'm not knocking the cartridge but I encourage hunters to select their ammo with more care.  My other partner on this hunt was packing a 7 mm Rem Mag too and I noticed he quietly buried his box of 150 gr ammo and dredged up some 160 gr ammo (brand?) for the rest of the hunt.

After this experience and the performance of my 300 Win Mag on a couple moose makes me think a fatter bullet like .338 + (of high quality) might be a better choice for moose, especially in thick cover.
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one observation of a 7mmRem Mag on moose
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2004, 10:36:33 PM »
Dand,
Though I've never shot a moose with a 7 Mag, I've been with friends that I have.  All moose that have shot properly have died, so I'm not knocking the 7 Mag at all.  However, moose shot under similar circumstances with 300's, 338's, and 375's that I have been party to, seem to have died much quicker with more impressive results.

While the 7 Mag will definitely put meat on the pole, the 338 or 375 seem to do the job quicker and better, in my experiences.

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2004, 11:41:10 PM »
HI Dand
 I too have seen bad results from the 7 mag on Moose and each time was with the core lok ammo and a couple of other calibers to boot. The old 7mm seems to be fine with other good bullets
such as failsafes and others you described. I thought remington had improved on the core lok was it one of the older boxes of ammo or one of the new better bonded ones.
 I still think like you that one of the other type of bullets is a better choice
as i don't like to have to find a wounded moose in the middle of a pond
that started out on dry land due to bad shooting and especially in this day and time( bad Ammo).

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2004, 05:07:51 PM »
I am a great fan of the 7mm but after using the core lokt bullets, in several caliber rifles, I have never been impressed with their performance.  No, I have never lost an animal but was never happy with no exit holes and bullet shrapnel all over inside of the deer.  I would never consider using one on a heavy boned animal like a moose. And although I realize that many fine hunters in these states really like these bullets they will find no place in any rifle I hunt with.

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2004, 11:26:19 AM »
Now I have to agree that I have not had any good luck with core-lokts in any rifle I own. Never shot anything with them because they could not perform at range. But with the new core-lokt ultra, I've shot many rounds through my 300 win mag and they are very accurate. The ultras are bonded-core with a thicker jacket. I plan on using these for Roosevelt Elk here in Washington. Will post my critique after elk season. As for the regular core-lokt I would not use them on anything bigger than a mule deer. Just my .02.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2004, 03:48:36 AM »
This is why i like Nosler partitions.  The nose blows off, and the base drives on through!!!  

  The nose gives you a decent wound chanell, and the base gives you the penetration you need to break an animial down or if needed, give a decent blood trail.

  In a 7 mag., 175 NP's would be my first choise for moose and big bears, because they've always worked for me in the past on those same animials!!

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2004, 03:17:51 PM »
Personally, I don't like the 7MM.  I own one but do not think of it as an Alaskian gun.  I carry a .338.  As for bullets, I swear by the Nosler Partition.  I don't shoot anything else for Moose or Bears.  A few years ago my Dad shot a Moose using the Remington Core-Locked bullet in my .35Whelen Handi- Rifle.  Perfect heart shot at 40 yards, with good bullet performance.  But then again what do you expect at 40 yards?
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Re: one observation of a 7mmRem Mag on moose
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2007, 06:31:35 PM »
I've shot my share of deer with this caliber and never had one take more than one step before dieing? Deer are smaller than your average game animal so make your own conclusions.
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Re: one observation of a 7mmRem Mag on moose
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2007, 12:00:59 PM »
  Maybe Remington is not making them for a magnum round. Maybe they are better off in the 280 or 7-08. Maybe with all that power it just needs a stronger core. I'm supprised to hear so much bad about the Rem. core-loks. I only used them on a few bear and  a bunch of whitetails, and no problems at all in a 270 win. Also, through Midway I got them for 75 bucks a thousand so they were cheap for reloads and quite accurate too.   ???

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Re: one observation of a 7mmRem Mag on moose
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2007, 06:14:36 PM »
I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years in Alaska. I've shot moose, Black bears, and caribou with it and no trouble. It has it's draw backs I try for 100 yrd. or less shots. For an all round rifle I think it's a good choice.
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