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Offline Rusty

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New Swiss Miltary Caliber?
« on: May 06, 2003, 12:45:21 PM »
I recently talked to someone at Orange Armory who said the Swiss have replaced the 7.5 Schmidt Reubin with a caliber close to .50".  Have I just had my leg pulled, or is there any truth to this?  This almost sounds like the new US CG .499.   8)

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2003, 02:56:55 PM »
Perhaps he meant 5.56. The Swiss adopted the NATO round in 1981.

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2003, 04:51:56 AM »
I am hearing that several countries are "Looking"
for a more effective round than the 5.56x45.
I must say that it is about time!
The 5.56 is a very accurate round, But it sadly
lacks killing power on determined adversaries.
Some people will argue that fact, But most of
them have not seen it First hand I'll Wager!
It was Politicians who thought they were soldiers
that brought that  &^*%  M-16/5.56x45  combo
into military use in the first place, And its Arm-Chair
Generals who keep it there!
I was doing a little research a couple of days ago and
I found where the French used the Model 1907 Winchester
semi-auto in WW I it was chambered for the .351 WSL
(Winchester Self Loading) cartridge. That Cartridge
was a military failure due to a lack of stopping power.
Whats interesting is the fact that it produces several hundred
foot pounds more energy than the 5.56x45!
I am currently trying to gather data to make a case that
the .30 cal. M-1 Carbine actually had a better performance rating
than the M-16 as far as the number of shots fired to
the number of casualties inflicted (M-2 Will be excluded due
to full auto capability I hope) It may take several years,
but I think I'll prove my case!

(I am not a Fan of the 5.56x45 as a military Ctg. if you havn't
gathered that already)
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
"A wise man does not pee against the wind".

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2003, 06:51:32 AM »
Go Get 'em Mr. Sumner............... :eek:
savageT........Have you hugged a '99 lately?

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I got an idea for a new NATO cartridge
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2003, 07:25:17 AM »
.284 diameter bullet 175 gr.

Case 2.235 long
Neck .440 long
Shoulder 20.45 degrees
Web diameter .471
Head diameter .473

Whatca think?

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2003, 08:50:00 AM »
Getting Warmer !!!
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