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Offline majorKAP

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New Acquisitons
« on: February 15, 2007, 07:02:11 AM »
As you may already know,  I was the runner up bidder on a #5, serial K-331, on GB a few weeks ago.  Krems opted out after seeing the gun, and I was given a second chance offer, which I took.  The seller, who incidentally knew nothing of the gun, was doing an acquaintance a favor by listing it.

Before the seller sent it to me, he said that he had to take it to his "gunsmith", because the bolt was not locking the cylinder.  He had the smith check it out, and all was reportedly well, but when he picked it up, the same problem happened again after cycling the action a time or two.

I asked him to leave it be and send it to me as it was, so that no further screw turning could occur which might further muck up the works.

It arrived this morning.  The first thing I noticed was the tell-tale evidence of a hamfisted gunsmith having used improper tool selection, i.e. boogered screw heads.  I also was struck by the mundane quality of the polishing and bluing.  It is dull compared to others I have seen, almost apprentice done, or Ruger-like.  There is a weird little casting flaw or two on the grip frame, which are visible on the underside near the trigger.  Krems, I am really surprised that you didn't notice them, or if you did, make mention of them.  The accompanying pics will bear this out.

Anyway, I have since  corrected the locking problem, or better stated, the absence of locking.  The spring that coils around the screw which holds the bolt in position has an arm which is bent at the distal end, to catch the underside of the bolt.  The other, longer arm of the spring is forced into tension by the grip frame itself when reassembly occurs.  The little bend needed a bit more angle, approaching 95-100 degrees or so.  This I accomplished with a hemostat and a tiny little pair of needle-nosed.  All is now well with it.

I paid too much, and I knew I was doing so as I did.  But, I like the guns.  Every other guy at the range or in the lodge doesn't have one just like it.  I'll keep this gun.  I'll develop a stout load which meets my expectation on the paper, and I will shoot it unmercilessly. 
It'll carry well in one of my leather cross-draws during the next Kentucky deer season.  The fact that it is a bit flawed and unattractive already will allow me to do so without concern for the preservation of it's original condition.  I'll treat it like I do my hand tools.  I'll take advantage of it's utility for the job it was designed to do, and I'll care for it mechanically.  Let the apppearance be damned.

Anyway, if I just want to stroke with flannel and admire a TLA, I can do so with the my other #5 in 44, or the cute new pup I got a few days ago...a Border Special in 44special.

KAP

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2007, 07:05:48 AM »
Additional pics.

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2007, 07:10:38 AM »
Additional pics 2, showing proper position of spring, and beginning of reassembly.

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 07:22:16 AM »
Additional pics 3, showing bolt position through cocking sequence.

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 07:25:00 AM »
Final pics, assembled gun. 

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 02:20:19 PM »
KAP,
I never noticed the casting flaw on the grip frame.  Too bad isn't it.  I took one look at the cylinder and boxed it back up. I can't believe that some "Gunsmith"  buggered up those screws like that...what a shame.  No mention of the cylinder condition...what do you think?.  It looked like someone tried to tap a thread in the cylinder throats to me.  I've never seen such a poor job of chambering. I guessed by the time I polished them up I would have .455" throats.  Way too big for my liking.  Of course I am kind of picky and see things differently.  I'm hoping it shoots good for you.  Give us a report after you shoot it. 

Happy shootin...........Krems

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2007, 01:10:14 PM »
MajorKAP,are you going to harden the internals or shoot the gun as is?.I have read about the soft internals on some of the TLA.Have you experienced it?.Is it better to harden the internals first or shoot it till a problem comes up.Would it cause serious damage to the revolver to shoot it extensively without the hardening.Appreciate your opinion on this,Thanks.

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2007, 07:44:47 AM »
Raj,

I've shot the #5 44mag several hundred times and I have experienced no problems nor have I seen signs of impending trouble.  All of the talk about improperly hardened triggers/sears etc. has me a bit concerned nonetheless.  I don't want to exacerbate any problem that may exist in the gun by continuing to use it, and I don't want to lose an ejector housing or front sight due to Grover's possible use of soft-solder to affix them.  I'm not convinced that shooting an affected gun does any more harm than does simply absent-mindedly cycling the action frequently as I caress it like I used to do the women.  My wife has more than once wished aloud that I would stroke her just as gently.

I suppose that I will send all three of them to Virginia so that Mr. Clements can give them the once-over.  I still have not learned how it is that he makes a determination as to whether or not a gun is proper,  beyond just seeing worn and damaged components if they are present.  Mine show no evidence of it as of yet.  I need to ask him if he just treats them to his specs without actually knowing if it was needed or not, thereby being certain afterwards that all is well.

The chambers in the cylinder of my #5 45LC appear very rough indeed.  It looks as if the cutting tool employed to make them was at the terminal end of it's useful life.  They probably would fuction just fine as they are, but I want Mr. Clements to see what he can do to polish them out.

My original idea was to have Mr. Clements beautify my 45 in such a manner that it would rival the appearance of the 44, but I have decided against it.  I intend to keep it as it is, or to possibly have it hard-chromed, electoless nickeled, or one of the other various wonder finishes applied.  That way, I can carry and shoot it without worry about it's looks.  I'm not particularly pretty myself, but I work hard and do my job well.  I shouldn't expect any more out of the gun.

The Border Special is a little jewel, and other than having the internals examined, I hope to keep it as it is. Until that time, if it comes, when it no longer thrills me or I need food money.

Raj,  if you have not had a chance as of yet to handle one of the Grover guns, I hope that you come across a specimen like one of mine when you do.  The timing on all three of them is perfect, and they lock rock solid with virtually no measurable play in the cylinder, side to side nor fore and aft.  The curve of the trigger set into the rearmost area of the trigger guard alone is the feature I find most visually appealing when compared to other single actions....and I have plenty of them with which to compare.   The fact that they are few and far between is another aspect of them that suits me.  On top of that, Bill Grover, whether he was a man worthy of admiration or not, lived his boyhood in the tiny town of Lancaster, 18 miles west of my home here in Kentucky.  So there.

KAP

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2007, 03:32:12 PM »
I am especially fond of Grovers hammers. I'd like to find someone willing to copy the contour on to a couple of Ruger hammers but so far no luck. It appears the sweep of the hammer was done to resemble a longhorn. Nothing quite like it. And his early front sights with the long post are also nice they way it raises up in equal steps. The short post on my # 5 is more practical but not as attractive.


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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2007, 04:15:43 PM »
Thank you very much majorKAP.Appreciate you takig the time to write.Looking forward to seeing what you find out from Clements.Your posts are informative as well as being very interesting.This really does make one wish more and more to acquire a TLA.

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Re: New Acquisitons
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2007, 05:01:17 PM »
It appears that your rear sight has a set screw to lock the vertical adjustment. My #5 has this feature, does yours?