I may be speaking out of turn here, but, the only animal I've seen taken with GoldDots in 210grains was a smallish hog (about 110lbs) shot with four in the chest and there was little penetration and a couple of really nasty scollops in the hide. There may have been several reasons for this, but, I suspect the bullet expands too quickly fo hunting. Deer are different and are withouit the heavy bones and gristle plate of the hogs, but, I'd still like to see better penetration. Any interrest in Hornady XTP's??