Super Comanche Single Shot 45 LC/.410

[rlm2007x]

What are your thoughts on the Super Comanche single shot pistol in 45 LC/.410?  Robert

[BlkHawk73]

  I've seen them.  They appear built fairly good but not very well finished.  A co-worker has one and lkes it.  More of a range plinker or small pest control gun as I see it.

[Cookiemann]

Other single shots that utilize the 410/45LC set up tend to loose a little accuracy when firing the 45LC.  Just because they are chambered for 3" 410's and its quite a long throat for the 45LC.  I have looked at those as well.  I thought it would be a good carry pistol for deer hunting.  In our shotgun only zones, they also allow pistols to take deer.  I would be a good option to dispatch a wounded deer.  My buck took it in the spine this year and it took him a bit to stop kicking, even though he was down.  Also, the 45 would be legal if a deer was close in back in the cover.  Just my 2 cents.

cookiemann

[superdown]

not trying to steal your thread but i have a question cookieman said that it tends to lose accuracy with 45lc because of the long throat. that got me thinking what if they made it in 460 s&w would that help with the accuracy

[Cookiemann]

Sorry, I can't help ya with that.  I have very limited knowledge on that sort of thing.  All I know is that the 45 has a long jump to get to the lands and that affects the accuracy.  The same thing is true with the H&R Survivor in 45/410.

[coyotejoe]

I presently have one of the Comanches and once had a 45 Colt/410 barrel for a T/C Contender. Bad idea all around. With .45 Colt the accuracy does not just "loose a little accuray", it is atrocious, because it is not just a "long throat" but a full 3" .410 chamber, grosely over the size of a proper .45 Colt chamber throat, the bullet just rattles through that and strikes the rifled bore going tang near sidewise. It is better as a .410 but still very poor because the .45 caliber bore is so greatly oversize for a .410 that the wad cannot achieve a gas seal and the rifleing rotates the column of shot which then strikes the straight grooves of the choke with massive pellet deformation. It might kill a rabbit at 15 yards or it might not, the pattern is too patchy to be dependable.

[Cookiemann]

Thanks coyoteyjoe.  You said it better than I did.  That's what I had read before and I, too, forgot to mention about the chooke for shotshells.  Now, if a guy could get his hands on a single shot 45LC, made for a 45, that would be a cool pistol to have.  I always liked the look of the Comanche and also, Traditions(I think) makes a M/L pistol that looks pretty cool.  Wonder how much to get a barrel made for the Commanche.  Kinda dumb, though.  You could buy a revolver for what you'd have into it.
Ever since I saw the Bond Arms derringers, I had a picture in my minds eye of an O/U 45LC pistol with a full size grip and 6" barrel.  Just thought it would be cool.

cookiemann

[rlm2007x]

I'm just looking for a fun range plinker mostly.  Robert

[baitwaister]

I do not know about the commanche but my TC 45/.410 barrel works quite well for how I use it.  The 45 LC part accuracy is bad!  I do not shoot it.  I use the .410 barrel alot for grouse and rabbits and have killed many.  I would not use the .410 slugs either as their accuracy is also rather poor.  Their was another poster who put on a B-Square shotgun scope mount and a red dot who said that he acheived decent accuracy with that.

[coyotejoe]

Cookieman, the one saving grace of the Commanche is that it is very easy to rebarrel. The barrel is sweated into the mono-block, just heat it up till the solder flows and slip it out, no sweat! PUN--  Turn a new barrel down, tin it and sweat it in. I rebarreled mine and also added a .22 LR barrel on top with a selector on the hammer like a Savage M24. That was a "work in progress" for several years but I've finally gotten it finished and it is a great small game truck and backpack gun with 12" barrels, the .410 being ported and choked, it patterns about as well as any full size .410. I had to add some very shallow slow twist rifling to be legal but it does shoot fine.
Rlm20007x, accuracy with .45 Colt is 6-8" "groups" at 25 yards. It may be OK for short range defence but I'd sure not hunt with it. I can't say I ever tried .410 slugs from the original barrel but being as they only weigh about 80 grains and probably don't go over 1200 fps from the 10" barrel, I'd not hunt with those either. The .410 slug is not considered fit for deer even from a long gun and is not even legal for such use in most states. I've found the slugs also impact much lower than a load of shot, you can't use the same point of aim at all.
Baitwaister--- you must shoot your grouse and rabbits really close. I tried some hand thrown clays with my T/C and found you have to shoot really quick to catch them before they got out of effective pattern range.

[Cookiemann]

So, if you made a barrel that was chambered strictly for the 45LC, it should shoot very well?  That was my idea.  Either 357 or 45LC...No 410.  You could even shorten the barrel if you wanted to make it easier carrying or leave it at 10".

cookiemann

[coyotejoe]

Yes Cookieman, it would be easy to rebarrel for .45 Colt. The only lathe work is to turn down the diameter of the new barrel to fit the monoblock and chamber it. Cut a simple slot for the extractor and re-use the original extractor. However, I'd stick to mild loads since the frame is some sort of non-ferrous alloy, in other words "pot metal". The finish is a thick coat of black paint, probably some sort of baked on epoxy, when chipped or worn it is very hard to get any touch-up paint to adhere.
  rlm2007x,  I don't mean to discourage you. The Comanche is a fine snake gun, a .410 load of 7 1/2 shot will hold a deadly pattern to 25 feet or so, all you'd ever need for snakes and the .45 Colt would be accurate enough for personal defence on big critters out to fifty feet, again all you'd ever need, but that is about it for the Comanche. In other words, it is an effective gun so long as you get in close.

[rlm2007x]

I may pick one up if I find one for a good price, but no hurries.  Robert