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Offline S.S.

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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2007, 04:24:55 AM »
Duane is correct but with a little discrepancy. the last time I got into these types of stats was a couple of years ago. But the .22 LR at that time  had killed more people than any other NON_MILITARY cartridge. non military being the key words. These stats did include accidental shootings also.
unless another cartridge has surpassed it in the last couple of years, it is probably still on top
of the list. Understand though that it is not a quick killer. normally takes a couple of days for someone to
succumb to a wound from a .22 LR. (Body hit that is)
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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2007, 03:47:21 AM »
Smallpox has killed a lot of people but I'd not care to rely on it for personal defence.
The story of David & Goliath only demonstrates the superiority of ballistic projectiles over hand weapons, poor old Goliath never had a chance.

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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2007, 10:59:12 AM »
Smallpox has killed a lot of people but I'd not care to rely on it for personal defence.

Now I liked that one! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2007, 12:13:28 PM »
I just LOVE my .22LR Buck Mark.  ;D

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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2007, 08:19:16 AM »
Smallpox lethal virus still is if not contained .I guess what I have to say is if your confident in your shooting abilities a .22 rimfire should be enough . never new anyone who wanted to get shot period much less with a lonely little bitty .22 rimfire .Guess it goes back to confidence  :-  you guys enjoy those big calibers me give me a .22 magnum any day or .22 rimfire 6 in the bulseye is better than one on the paper .

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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2007, 11:43:40 AM »
Defense to me means stopping the attacker right now.  As much as I love the 22, and as lethal as it can be, it is very unlikely to physically slam a person back and down right now.  If it won't do that, and if I can use something else that will, well ...., which would you pick?

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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #66 on: March 23, 2007, 03:55:19 AM »
, it is very unlikely to physically slam a person back and down right now.  If it won't do that, and if I can use something else that will, well ...., which would you pick?
Lucky Guy, I think you've been watching too many movies, nothing one can carry will actually "slam a person back and down", if you want that effect you'll have to hit them with your car. I do agree that within reason, bigger is better, and faster is also better. A 200 grain .45 is a better stopper than a 200 grain .38 and a 125 grain at 1500 fps is better than a 125 grain at 900 fps.
  I also agree with Duane that shot placement is more important than the size, weight or velocity of the slug. The problem with that is that all your shooting skill goes out the window when a panic reaction sets in. Modern day cops are very well trained, accustomed to confrontation, and yet, in an actual gunfight, they miss three times out of four. Shooting an armed opponent between the eyes is also something that seldom happens outside the movies.
  Yet, a movie gave the best information on gunfighting I think I've ever heard. In the movie "Unforgiven", Gene Hackman gave a dissertation on gunfighting like this. "It ain't easy to kill a man, especially if he's shooting back, that just plain rattles most folks." "Being good with a gun, fast and accurate, that don't do no harm, but it really don't amount to much against being cool headed, the man who can hold his nerve under fire, like as not he'll kill you."  So Duane, if you're that "cool headed" you'll do just fine with a .22, but the rest of us "most folks" would do better with something more powerful.
The story of David & Goliath only demonstrates the superiority of ballistic projectiles over hand weapons, poor old Goliath never had a chance.

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Re: 22M is a failure
« Reply #67 on: March 23, 2007, 05:05:55 AM »
I hope and pray that all of us will never have to know if we are cool headed enough.  I also trained with professional shooting coaches and practice what I have learned regularly so it becomes muscle memory, not fine motor skill (which is the first thing to go).

I recommend to anyone who even thinks about using a firearm for personal defense to attend the NRA basic and personal protection classes.  They give some real clarity about personal defense, and what is and isn't possible.
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