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« on: February 28, 2003, 04:07:28 AM »
I had an interesting experience on my last boar hunt, and it was the ONLY complaint I have about the whole thing... Our guide did not carry a gun! And, it caught up with him while he was trying to get the 14 year old boy who was along his first hog. The boy wounded a large boar with his 30-30 New England style rifle, and then something went wrong with it, and it would not open, and the boar faced off with the boy... the guide left the kid standing there all alone, while he ran 200 yards to "borrow" a sidearm from another hunter, and then ran all the way back... NEVER in my days of boar hunting have I had a guide that did not carry something along, and I think this situation could have turned into a "cut-up" young boy very easily... This was a Buckmasters BADF chapter disabled hunters outing. Two of the hunters were in wheel chairs, and I was just 60 days out of a total knee replacement surgery... The guide in my opinion was not protecting the hunters as well as he should be... I would like you to click on this link though and take a look at the group picture... I made some lifelong friendships on this hunt: http://www.accs.net/users/drquick/group.jpg     Just IMHO  Dave
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2003, 05:13:37 AM »
Dave, in all the hunts I was on in Tenn., the guides at clarkrange never carried a sidearm.  I don't know about now under Ken's operation, but when John Gilbert ran the place, neither he nor his guides wore a sidearm.  I don't remember if the guide at Caryonah wore one or not.  I can see your point if you are guiding a disabled hunter, because that hunter may not be able to get out of the way.  However, as I remember what John said at Clarkrange, he didn't want to have trouble with a client if the guide made a judgement call and had to shoot a hog.  Besides, at Clarkrange there is always a tree or three handy to jump up on. :eek: ...if ya need to!

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2003, 06:53:06 AM »
I've never seen an armed guide on ANY preserve hunt I've ever been on no matter the species to include hogs. As a matter of fact on my hunt at Tellico the guide was making some serious tracks outta there as he yelled for me to shoot him between the eyes as it charged us. I dropped the boar maybe 15' off the toes of my boots with a single .429" 300 XTP.

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2003, 06:57:25 AM »
My guide at Tellico was armed... I don't recall with what exactly, but it was a revolver... his name as I remember was Bugs...
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2003, 07:57:05 AM »
I haven't been on many guided hunts,  but can say that only at Venado Grande Ranch in So Tx did the guide carry a firearm.  This time, he had a very long range shooting rifle that he would affer to the hunter if there was a very long range shot to be taken.  I turned him down and preferred to hunt with my own firearms.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2003, 02:29:37 AM »
Guides?  What guides??    :)  :)
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2003, 03:19:23 AM »
Living here in Indiana, it seems we are so far from anything but good whitetail deer hunting. To hunt boar, bear, or anything else for me is either a VERY long drive, or an expensive flight ... and then, not knowing anyone with land, I would have no choice but to use a guide and/or outfitter...
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2003, 09:44:29 AM »
:) Sorry IronKnees but I have never been on a guided hunt.  I have, I guess you would say "guided" a few friends to a hog.  The hunt we went on to Diamond Bax was not a guided hunt.  We took ourselves to the stands.

If you go into the woods in this area you are apt to run into a herd of hogs or just a single ol' boar hog.  Whether you want to or not.  :D

Turkey Season before last as I was going from one set up to another I started noticing some hog rootings.  I happened to be going along a creek that had what we call "switch cane" (bamboo that only grows 3 or 4 feet tall) growing everywhere but in the old logging trail I was going down.  As I came to a low water crossing in the creek I looked at the hog tracks and rooting.  I thought to myself these are really fresh.  As I came out of the creek back up to the logging road and turned to continue to my turkey hunting spot.  Whoa buddy!  There was about a 150-200 pound boar hog staring me in the face from about 10 yards!  Well, I stopped dead still and slowly raised the shotgun to my shoulder, as I wondered how well the 2 ounces of #6 shot through that turkey choke would stop the boar if he deceided to charge me.   The two of us had a staring contest for a few minutes, me staring at him, he staring at me.  My arms started to get a little tired from holding the shotgun.  I didn't dare be the first to blink.  Finally the hog turned his head and looked to his left.  I thought I knew what would happen next.   Since I had been in a similar kind of fix several years before.  After looking back at me and staring for a few seconds more.  The hog turned and trotted off though the switch cane, with an air of "You are not worth me wasting more time with".   I started breathing again and flexing my arms to get the kinks out.  :)
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2003, 11:20:18 AM »
Well, the guy whose place I hunt on (not really a guide) always has a gun with him, but he's ahuntin' too!  I've never been on a truly guided hunt, so I can't comment beyond this...
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2003, 09:04:07 AM »
I went on my first guided hunt last year.  I hunted with CAMP 5 OUTFITTERS in central California for Wild Boar.

Our guide carried a 7mm Rem. Mag. when we began our stalk on the pigs.  A lot of their hunting area is rolling hills with brushing ravines or gullys, some is more lush w/quite a bit of trees.  Our guide said he carries his rifle in case we have to go in the brush after a pig that has been shot or if a client has wounded a pig and asks for help finishing it off.

After a classic spot and stalk my hunting buddy shot a nice pig @ 25 yards w/a .35 Rem. Contender pistol & factory Federal 200 grn round nose ammo.  At the shot, the pig ran about 20 yards and made it into a brushy ravine.  Of course it's starting to get dark and gets even darker as we go into the brush to find the pig.  To make a long 'exciting' story shorter, we found my buddies pig dead after it went approx. 50 yards, from the place it was shot.    I would NOT want to be a guide going into the brush after a shot (possibly wounded and mad) pig as it's getting dark, w/o any firearm!!  

We had no problem w/our guide carrying a gun, in fact I would have thought it a bad idea for him not to have one!!  I think a guide should show you a good experience in their hunting area, be able to find animals that you are there to hunt, hopefully get you w/in range for a shot (provided you are physically able to do what it takes), if you are successful in shooting your target animal - they should help you retrive and process that animal, and try to get you home safely and healthy.  

So, if they or you get attacked by this animal, and they could have easily prevented this if they would have had a firearm, but didn't because they chose or are prevented from carrying a firearm - that guide/outfit is not doing their "job" properly.  Some people may feel differently, this is just my opinion.

By the way if you want to hunt Wild Boar and can make it to the central California area, I highly recommend CAMP 5 OUTFITTERS!!  They own or lease access to over 40,000 acres of land, farm barley on a lot of it (great food source / attraction for the pigs), and just flat have a LOT of pigs!  My hunting buddy shot a 200 lb. black sow and I shot a 175 lb. black boar, and we were both using handguns.  If we would have been hunting with scoped rifles, we both could have easily had 200+ lb. boars w/ 2+" of exposed tusks!

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2003, 07:13:17 AM »
if you are to hunt either for the first time or mulitiple times for game that may come back at you when angered my question is why would you not be armed if you have a guest or cliant.
i take several guest pig hunting some is their first pig hunt some not either way i am armed.
i have seen to many pigs that you would think were dead jump up and want to cause damage.
when hunting wild pigs use your head and put another in the pigs head just to make sure. :lol

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2003, 01:53:54 PM »
IronKnees you can hunt here in Indiana at this lodge-
http://bowguns.com/ContactUs.html
we are going on a boar hunt there the 24th of this month.
I hunted at Caryonah and the guide did not carry a gun. He said that if the boar came at us he would be up a tree.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2003, 02:26:42 PM »
Holy Cow! You just made my day!!!!! I can't wait to find out more about this place. It would be so much easier for me... Thanks so much. Dave
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2003, 04:12:19 AM »
I have seen guides on a spot and stalk hunt that did not use back ups, but not many that use dogs. They are the ones that are REALLY making the pigs mad telling the dogs to attack! I don't feel comfy without something on my hip or in my hand nor do I want to have to trust someone else with my life or health. On the other hand, someone should have a way to dispatch a hog if one gun jams... I am not the one who will take a tusker on with a pen knife though.  :-D
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2003, 04:31:12 AM »
Hello IRONKNEES
 Guides in Alaska and prof Hunters in Africa Have to be licensed and have
to pass exams and have many years of training to get that license.
Ya just dont decide to be a guide because you have a little hunting
experience it is a serious proffesion as you are responsible for the client
100% of the time while they are with you and in your camp.I would
hope the guide would be armed and qualified especially if its a minor.
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2003, 06:33:23 AM »
This about the only backup that I use .Sometimes my partner will take a longgun if it is a bow hunt for the safety of our dogs.I am not sure how big a part it plays as my partner takes care of it but it has alot to do with insurance.
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2003, 05:23:50 PM »
Rope
 A good dog can be can be effective And that one looks
good i have one looks just like em.I got mine to keep
loose dogs and the ocassional black Bear from biting my kids works real well they dont seem to get loose anymore and bears seem to stay away.
But when guiding a client a would always carry a gun for their safety
and Mine.Thats a nice looking dog wouldnt want to seem em
hooked in the belly and not be able to stop it.
 
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2003, 08:06:51 AM »
Thats what these dogs do for a living and I would rather have him on a lead than a dozen guns when I am being charged by a hog.Think about it unless I am guiding I never carry a gun only a little rope to tie their legs.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2003, 11:47:53 PM »
Well the post was should a guide carry a gun when with client
Looks like ya do just like the rest of us.Due to client protection
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