Author Topic: 500 yard handi (Read 1936 times)

flitz · « **on:** March 29, 2007, 12:40:14 AM »

anyone have a handi that will shoot to 500 yds and have it shoot moa?well
that may be a bit to much how about 3in at 500.

flitz

eskimo36 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2007, 02:18:21 AM »

MOA at 100 yards is 1.047" so MOA at 500yards is 5.235".

flitz · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2007, 12:28:32 PM »

what i want do do is put together a handi that will hit a steel plate at 500 yds.
was thinking of going 12x12 or 18x18.it sure would be nice to pull this off
with a handi.alot of sites slam handis.i am working with a smith now who thinks
it is possible.i will be using a 6mm imp so the caliber is good.would like to do this
with a rifle that cost under 300.00 plus glass.rifle goes in when my refund comes.
my son might have to pull the shot off but it will be my load and the smiths rifle.

flitz

safetysheriff · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2007, 12:47:58 PM »

go with the longer-barreled, heavier-bulleted .25-06 Rem' or the .280 Rem' with its match-grade bullets to do a Very Reliable job of hitting the gong at 500 yards. otherwise, with a .22" barrel i'd use the .270 Win' shooting a bullet of high bc' like the Sierra 135 gr' bthp (match-grade) or maybe the 140 gr' btsp Hornady in .270.

a 6mm Imp' with a .22", and maybe a .24", barrel might not 'ring' the gong loud enough to matter to you!

good shooting,

ss'

Roudy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 29, 2007, 12:51:23 PM »

flitz,

There is a lot of information that attempts to describe external ballistics and variations at different distances, but for all intents and purposes if a rifle will shoot a one inch group at 100 yards it will will be capable of shooting a 5 inch group at 500 yards. Wind and light are probably the most significant factors that effect accuracy between the 100 yard and 500 yard targets Not all Handi's will shoot a one inch group at 100 yards, for that matter not all of any type rifle will shoot those kinds of groups.

Some people get Handi's to shoot less than 1 inch at 100 yards. From my experience Handi's are good rifles, and like any rifle it takes the right load, and tweeking to get the best performance from it.

If you want to have a little fun along the way try a Buffalo Classic in 45-70 or a Target rifle in 38-55. I have a close family member that seems to think accuracy can be bought with expensive equipment and the most recent technology....WRONG. I just love taking out an $85 rifle that I have tweeked and reloaded for, then outshooting him.

Roudy

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2007, 12:53:48 PM »

Here's a great Handi thread on 500yd shooting!

Tim

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,95235.msg1098231925.html#msg1098231925

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #6 on:** March 29, 2007, 01:08:09 PM »

I agree with Safetysherif . I myself am looking for a barrel that will reach out there and touch some thing.If you look in the classifed adds I am also looking for a 25-06 or a 280 maybe a 7mm08. I think all these calibers would be a great choice for long range varmint or paper. To be honest I kill more paper than anything so I am one that likes to see tight groups.

Quote from: safetysheriff on March 29, 2007, 12:47:58 PM

go with the longer-barreled, heavier-bulleted .25-06 Rem' or the .280 Rem' with its match-grade bullets to do a Very Reliable job of hitting the gong at 500 yards. otherwise, with a .22" barrel i'd use the .270 Win' shooting a bullet of high bc' like the Sierra 135 gr' bthp (match-grade) or maybe the 140 gr' btsp Hornady in .270.

a 6mm Imp' with a .22", and maybe a .24", barrel might not 'ring' the gong loud enough to matter to you!

good shooting,

ss'

sureshot2040 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 29, 2007, 01:14:35 PM »

hey pard
just this last weekend i shot a nice 2 1/2 inch group at 462 yards
i was using a pineridge 6 x 24 x 42mm scope with ao and ir
mounted on a heavy barreled 223 handi
i held the 400 yard mil dot on the bull and the group hit abt 3 inches low and maybe 2 inches to the left
it can be done
last year i also used a buff classic with a tang sight mounted on it to shoot 6-7 inch groups at that same piece of steel
sureshot

flitz · « **Reply #8 on:** March 29, 2007, 01:55:43 PM »

well i already have the barrel.there is just something about the 6mm imp
that has me going.one thing for sure there arent many.my 223 i know will
do it.but then again in my head up comes the 6mm.plus i want to make
this handi special.i cannot afford a high end custom so we will go low end
custom.thanks for all the positives on this.at least i didnt get laughed
at this undertaking.

flitz

Sourdough · « **Reply #9 on:** March 29, 2007, 09:26:18 PM »

I have shot and killed game out to 500 and 600 yards with my Handi 30-06. I use two bullets, the Sierria 125gr TNT, and the 165gr Nosler ballistic tip. While at 700 yards my groups start to open and I only hit my target roughly 50% of the time, I no longer shoot at that range with the 30-06. It does not have the velocity to open the bullets properly and make instant kills. I can hit a 1 gal milk jug everytime at 500 and 600 yards. That is my bench mark for shooting at game at those ranges.

My Handi has it's second barrel on it. The original barrel was stolen, along with the Shepard scope mounted on it. While the replacement barrel does not hold as tight a group as the original barrel, I am satisfied with it's accuracy. All I've done is shoot it and clean it occasionally(when I get around to it) nothing else, no fine tuning or adjustments. I have worked up several loads with bullets ranging from 125gr to 180gr, all of which hit at the same place at 200 yards. I now have a Burris 4X12 scope with the Ballistic Plex raticle mounted on this barrel. This scope limits me to 500 yards due to the markings only going that far, and the post is too thick to see a target over 500 yards. As soon as I can aford it I intend to get another Shepard scope.

warf73 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2007, 12:00:33 AM »

I may be missing something here but I've seen guys on the forum kill Pdogs out beyond 500 yards. I don't think any of the rigs were all that special(I maybe wrong).

Go to the Pdog forum just below here and read what a Handy can do with out loads of mods.

Warf

just bill · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2007, 03:18:56 AM »

Quote from: Roudy on March 29, 2007, 12:51:23 PM

flitz,

but for all intents and purposes if a rifle will shoot a one inch group at 100 yards it will will be capable of shooting a 5 inch group at 500 yards.
Roudy

Sorry Roudy,

With respect I have to disagree with that statement, thats a big jump. Even if a gun is locked in a vice with zero wind there are other factors. BTW- I have a 17hmr that will shoot moa at 100 yards, should I try 500?

In regards to the post. I have simular interest as a "sleeper rifle" for the local Woodchucks shoot contest growing here each year. They are 3 shot at 100,300 & 600 yards from bags or bi-pods prone. My thought is with the heavy barrel .243 and 75 grain range V Max.........speed beats wind too not just BC although that bullet has a good BC, along with the 25-06.

just bill · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2007, 03:21:49 AM »

Quote from: sureshot2040 on March 29, 2007, 01:14:35 PM

hey pard
just this last weekend i shot a nice 2 1/2 inch group at 462 yards
i was using a pineridge 6 x 24 x 42mm scope with ao and ir
mounted on a heavy barreled 223 handi
i held the 400 yard mil dot on the bull and the group hit abt 3 inches low and maybe 2 inches to the left
it can be done
last year i also used a buff classic with a tang sight mounted on it to shoot 6-7 inch groups at that same piece of steel
sureshot

That is some fine shooting

PartsMan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2007, 03:43:42 AM »

"BTW- I have a 17hmr that will shoot moa at 100 yards, should I try 500? "

I have shot my 22lr a 1/2 mile with iron sights.
Of course my steel gong was a 10' stock tank and there was a little hold over involved.

17s might be a little extreme but any good bullet in an accurate center fire should work fine.
308s have done well in the past.

Roudy · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:40:47 AM »

One of Newton's laws of motion says something like, a body in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted on by an outside force. The minute of angle measurement has nothing to do with distance, only the angular measurement that represents the cone of fire for a firearm. After a bullet leaves the muzzle of a rifle, and assuming there are no other factors effecting the bullet path, such as wind, gravity, etc. the bullet will strike wherever it has been influenced to by the barrel, load and shooter. If the path averages one minute of angle at 100 yards, it will be one minute of angle at 200, 600, etc. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it....right now.

I've read information on a website, that I can no longer find, that basically says that bullets are not perfectly balanced, and that the imbalance will cause the path of the bullet to oscillate with the result of changing the path of the bullet during it's flight which in turn produces different group sizes at different ranges....some of which are smaller at more distant ranges.

"For practical purposes" I still hold to the thought that a bullet will continue on its set path after leaving the barrel unless acted on by an outside force. Following Yoda's advice, "Don't think, just do!", the best way to find out for a given rifle is to try it.

Ohhh, my head hurts from thinking too much, think I'll go outside and "do" for a while.

Roudy

safetysheriff · « **Reply #15 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:25:40 AM »

Quote from: warf73 on March 30, 2007, 12:00:33 AM

I may be missing something here but I've seen guys on the forum kill Pdogs out beyond 500 yards. I don't think any of the rigs were all that special(I maybe wrong).

Go to the Pdog forum just below here and read what a Handy can do with out loads of mods.

Warf

Warf'

i don't think there's any debate with that. but it may be easier to see an animal fall over at 500 yds' than to see a gong pushed, or hear it rung, at 500 yds' by a small bullet. that's why i'd suggest the heavier-bulleted cartridges.

some shoot the .223 Rem' with a fast twist and "heavy-for-caliber" bullets in 1,000 yd matches. but that doesn't make it anywhere near the best choice......even for just punching holes in paper.

take care,

ss'

mitchell · « **Reply #16 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:46:27 PM »

Quote from: sureshot2040 on March 29, 2007, 01:14:35 PM

hey pard
just this last weekend i shot a nice 2 1/2 inch group at 462 yards
i was using a pineridge 6 x 24 x 42mm scope with ao and ir
mounted on a heavy barreled 223 handi
i held the 400 yard mil dot on the bull and the group hit abt 3 inches low and maybe 2 inches to the left
it can be done
last year i also used a buff classic with a tang sight mounted on it to shoot 6-7 inch groups at that same piece of steel
sureshot

what twist do you have and what bullet are you useing , a 2 1/2 inch group at 400 plus is one goshdarn good group nice shooting

just bill · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2007, 02:34:21 AM »

Roudy,

Interesting, I have read similar but in reality it just don't seem to work as the theory suggests. Maybe to many things have to be perfect and true, such as the bullet you noted?

Really don't matter because with the varmint calibers I have owned, a little bench time at the range,long distance,etc. has shown every one will "open up" over a certain yardage as compared to 100 yards. Some a further distance, some closer.

What ever the laws of physics and nature really are.............I have yet to beat them

sureshot2040 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2007, 09:33:55 AM »

John Boy · « **Reply #19 on:** April 02, 2007, 05:54:54 PM »

Quote

anyone have a handi that will shoot to 500 yds ...

Yep, the Buffalo Classic with iron sights (vernier) will shoot a 7" x 2 3/4" (5 shots) group at ... 600yds! That be with a 500gr lead bullet over black powder.
Had 2 witnesses but no digital camera at the range that day

Normal 10-20 shot groups run between 12 - 16" @ 600yds. This summer going to shoot the same recipe at a 1000yd range

Q · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2007, 05:39:29 AM »

This is the kind of shooting I like. Flat Tack driving rounds are fine but the 45-70 Pumpkin Chunkin rnds are fun to the max.

Roudy · « **Reply #21 on:** April 03, 2007, 08:03:14 PM »

John Boy,
That's some good, and satisfying, shooting! When I was in the military we shot at 600 yard when I was on a rifle team. We shot match grade rifles with match grade ammunition, of course we had iron sights. The bullseye was 20 inches in diameter with a 10 inch 'V' ring. Your groups could have been a perfect score!

Roudy