New Barnes Varmiter Grenade?

[henry1]

Hey guys, just wondering if anybody out there knows if i can get some load info on this new bullet that Barnes has come out with. Let me know. Thanks.
Henry

[songdoghunter]

At this time they don't have load data for the 36gr Varmint Grenade bullets.
> They are recommending the use of the 50gr VLC load data or your favorite
> 40gr
> uncoated data from other manuals/ manufacturers.

[gary0529]

Maminch absolutely correct-the following is from Ty Herring at Barnes.

"These new Varmint Grenade bullets have a highly frangible copper/ tin core that was developed for military applications. Their scored jacket design and no velocity limit make them a great choice for varmint hunting.

At this time we don't have load data for the 36gr Varmint Grenade bullets. We are recommending the use of our 50gr VLC load data or your favorite 40gr uncoated data from other manuals/ manufacturers.
 
                 

We Aim to please, reloading is a great hobby, enjoy it."

Ty Herring

[henry1]

so basicaly you can use any 40gr bullit data that you have and you will be fine? Wow. that dosent sound the lest bit dangerous at all! I dont know, ever since i blew up my first sa .44, i have taken extreme measures to make sure over and over that i have proper loads and ect.ect. Please tell me that they wouldnt come out with a bullit without coming up with tested load data? I dont want to come off too strong, but i dont want to have my rifle blow up in my face either. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
Henry.

[Inrut24/7]

If you look at almost any reloading manual 9 times out of ten the powder charge gets bigger as the bullets get lighter, example-hornady sixth addition, 223 50 gr V-max h335 max load-25.7, 45 grain hornet h335 max load 27.1, 40 grain V-max h335 max load 27.4.  I have always used 40 grain data for 35 grain v-max's with no problems.

[henry1]

Ok, that makes me some releived. Thank you all for the helpful input and the info. I greatly appriciate it. Thanks again.
Henry.

[PaulS]

so basicaly you can use any 40gr bullit data that you have and you will be fine? Wow. that dosent sound the lest bit dangerous at all! I dont know, ever since i blew up my first sa .44, i have taken extreme measures to make sure over and over that i have proper loads and ect.ect. Please tell me that they wouldnt come out with a bullit without coming up with tested load data? I dont want to come off too strong, but i dont want to have my rifle blow up in my face either. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
Henry.

Henry,
This isn't the first time that Barnes has released a bullet to the reloading public before the had documented data for using it. As far as I know Barnes is the only bullet maker that does this. They get some very good press for their bullets because there are some people who will load to the maximum and when there isn't a maximum they overload the round. The word goes out that the new Barnes bullet gives you 200 fps more than any other bullet. Then they wonder why their cases only last for 3 loads. I think it is a real gamble on Barnes' part because sooner or later it will catch up with them. Personally, I choose no to use any bullet that doesn't have reliable reloading information applied to it. Barnes is known for bullets that either produce more drag or less drag than other bullets on the market by wide margins. This translates to bullets that need either less powder charge or can use slightly higher powder charges than those of other makers. The "Grenade" is properly named if you ask me. It is a "new technology" sintered metal bullet with no data worked up by Barnes. How much more or less friction will this bullet exert on the barrel and how much will that affect pressure? The answer is "we don't know!". Even Barnes doesn't know, and they are letting reloaders do their testing.

The foregoing rant is my opinion. It does not, to my knowledge, reflect the opinion of this board or it's owner(s). I post this knowing that there are other opinions that differ from my own. I accept that those opinions exist and I have heard them. I base my opinion on only my experience and what I see as safe and prudent testing practices that the reloading industry has used for years.