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Offline gunbuster

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45-70 or 45-120
« on: May 06, 2007, 01:39:30 AM »
The local Cabela's has a Perdrosoli heavy target sharps.  Actually has two.  A 45-70 and a 45-120.  I'm having trouble deciding which I need.
  Another problem is weight.  These things weigh 12 lbs. 7 oz.     NRA max weight for competion is 12 lbs. 2 oz.    Can I have some weight lobed of the 34 inch barrel to make weight?

Any opinions?
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Re: 45-70 or 45-120
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2007, 09:21:21 AM »
Speaking for experience & personal observations, if you are purchasing the rifle to shoot NRA-sanctioned silhouette, a .45-2.1” (AKA .45-70) is more than enough rifle to do the job. A rifle w/ a shotgun butt will be more comfortable to shoot.

I shoot an approx. 14 pound Borchardt, .45-2 7/8” (AKA .45-110) & after about 30 rounds, it gets tiring. I can shoot my Sharps .45-2.4” (AKA .45-90) for longer periods, but I “dunno” if I’d want to shoot it for a silhouette match due to the recoil. My .45-2.1” rifles are more pleasant to shoot. After you start shooting chamberings bigger than the .45-2.1” & the .45-2.4”, the effects of recoil become more noticeable.

Also it is relatively easy to develop a White/Nitro Powder (AKA Smokeless) load for the .45-2.1” should you want. Not saying that it can’t be done w/ the bigger .45s, but you really must know what you are doing & be very careful when loading – really easy to drop a double charge in those big cases & w/ wads or fillers, it is easy to ring the chamber. I once saw an all-original .45-110 Borchardt chamber rung on the second round w/ White Powder.

Even thought I don’t shoot silhouette, I attend the matches @ the local club. I have yet to see a target not topple when hit solidly w/ a .45-2.1” & a 500 grain bullet, or a .40-65 & a heavy bullet.

A .40-65 is a real sweet caliber to shoot:  little recoil & economical as far as bullets, powder, & brass. First time I shot mine, I wondered if it went off. It’s a far different round than the bigger .45s.

A rifle of silhouette weight & chambered in the .45-3.25” case (AKA .45-120) will be very uncomfortable shoot, esp. in the prone position & even more so if it has a crescent butt stock. Several years ago, I once shot one about 3-4 times & handed it back to the owner. There was a reason why he was selling it—“way too much gun”, even w/ a 500 grain bullet.

If you look over prior match silhouette equipment lists & winners circle, you’ll see that the .45-2.1”, .45-2.4”, & the .40-65 are well represented.  The bigger .45s really "shine" at the Long Range matches (800, 900, & 1000 yds).

Any barrel can be cut back to help reduce weight. Just make sure that whoever does it knows what’s he’s doing & is careful w/ the crown.

The NRA-sanctioned silhouette 12 pound, 2 oz weight limit includes iron sights; 15 pounds limit w/ a 'scope. NRA-sanction BP target/LR match weight limit is 15 pounds (inc. scope or iron sights)
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Re: 45-70 or 45-120
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2007, 08:54:03 AM »
Weigh before you buy.

My Cabella's 34" heavy barrel weighs on my hardware store nail scale 13 lbs 8 ozs.  I scoped it with the small leatherwood malcolm to keep the weight at 15 lbs.  I couldn't see thru that little hole anyway.  I will keep my tang sight in case my eyes improve.

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